Author Topic: St. Marys KS -- Catholic Disneyland or good thing? (Read 26926 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #90 on:** November 27, 2010, 01:27:22 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Fr. X was out of line.
Fr. X is an SSPX priest.
SSPX priests are out of line.

There were two priests there during my time at that Chapel. I'm banned from attending now. The second priest told me the SSPX has a policy, you may not talk to a girl without a father's permission, even if she's 18. He then threatened to kick me out. I told him he should teach what St. Thomas Aquinas taught otherwise he's not adhering to the Catholic religion and he laughed and said it was some kind of joke.

Now the SSPX can either teach that girls in their majority are free to marry who they want or they can teach what they teach now - which is to threaten to kick someone out if he tries to talk to a girl, and maliciously and dishonestly suggest the man is imagining things and "imbalanced" for thinking the girl likes him.

I notice the same sort of personal attacks and intellectually dishonest defense of some things seems to be par for the course among some here.

I'm talking about my chapel of course but obviously my chapel isn't the only chapel where this sort of thing, being told not even to talk to members of the opposite sex is an issue. Let's remember the backyard rad trad broadcasts.

Matthew · « **Reply #91 on:** November 27, 2010, 01:35:08 PM »

I assume these priests didn't give you any references for their position?

An SSPX website link, book, manual, etc.?

It does sound messed up, as you describe it.

Catholic doctrine is Catholic doctrine. And as far as I know, St. Thomas Aquinas is the source of Catholic doctrine par excellence.

Matthew

Matthew · « **Reply #92 on:** November 27, 2010, 01:55:37 PM »

If so many people believe that, there must be a material cause. Is it some kind of "ideal" they're after? Is there a given book, sermon, series of talks, etc. that is forming all these minds on that issue?

Is it because they believe that a woman who still lives at home is under her father's authority, much like the Muslims believe? There's a bit of "natural law" to that; it's not exactly against nature. I haven't studied the issue so I'm not going to pontificate about it at this time.

What disturbs me is the apparent disregard for one of their flock. Don't they have pity on the older single men at the parish? Is it a case of "misery loves company"?
"I have to be single, and I guess you do too!"
That seems a very petty attitude to impute to an SSPX priest.

I guess what I'm wondering is -- what's the priest's side of the story in all this?

That's the side we've never heard.

Matthew

Telesphorus · « **Reply #93 on:** November 27, 2010, 02:12:08 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

That's the side we've never heard.

Matthew

Well, you shouldn't trust what he says, going by my experiences with him. Pretending I'm crazy to think that a girl likes me, pretending to disbelieve me when I tell him what happens.

I'm reasonably handsome, intelligent, and honest, but this priest tries to represent me as some sort of deranged predator, and treats me like I'm crazy.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #94 on:** November 27, 2010, 03:12:56 PM »

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I do not understand who is being called White Trash? What a mean thing to say about anyone. That is so American Elitist I must say.

It is a nasty word but there is a kind of spontaneous hostility and malice that one encounters sometimes from people of a certain background.

For example, you might walk by an RV park, and have someone who certainly appears to be a bumpkin lets his dog (while furiously barking) go almost to the end of the leash in order to frighten your friend's dog.

What certain backround?

Typically people from Appalachia.

Like the Dukes of Hazzard Beverly Hillbillies stereotype.

Or the movie Deliverance.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #95 on:** November 27, 2010, 03:23:25 PM »

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It is wrong for anyone to call them White Trash.

I don't think Elizabeth was talking about poor people. Just people with certain attitudes and behaviors.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #96 on:** November 27, 2010, 03:24:47 PM »

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Who were you referring to as "White Trash" in this thread?

I was being charitable and restrained about a couple of women who had unfortunate contact with one of my children in a school-like setting.

Perhaps when I am in the mood, I will write about them in the SSPV ICA thread.

Should I have said Faulkner-esque instead? :confused1:

Dawn · « **Reply #97 on:** November 27, 2010, 03:29:26 PM »

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Quote from: Dawn
Who were you referring to as "White Trash" in this thread?

I was being charitable and restrained about a couple of women who had unfortunate contact with one of my children in a school-like setting.

Perhaps when I am in the mood, I will write about them in the SSPV ICA thread.

Should I have said Faulkner-esque instead? :confused1:

Oh, is the the Fr. Jenkins school you had trouble with or another? I guess it should be a separate thread.

Alexandria · « **Reply #98 on:** November 27, 2010, 03:30:47 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

Quote from: Dawn
Who were you referring to as "White Trash" in this thread?

I was being charitable and restrained about a couple of women who had unfortunate contact with one of my children in a school-like setting.

Perhaps when I am in the mood, I will write about them in the SSPV ICA thread.

Should I have said Faulkner-esque instead? :confused1:

You're playing games.

You did say there are two sides to every story a few posts back. I would love to hear Fr. Jenkins' side of your sob story.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #99 on:** November 27, 2010, 03:32:56 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Or the movie Deliverance.

Bingo!

But being permitted to "teach" LATIN!

(hint: never having studied it herself, couldn't be that hard, huh?)

Dawn · « **Reply #100 on:** November 27, 2010, 03:38:18 PM »

So glad I always taught my children at home. Never had all those problems.

Dawn · « **Reply #101 on:** November 27, 2010, 04:13:33 PM »

Actually I was thinking some of the remarks on this thread more like Charles Dickens:

First Collector: At this festive time of year, Mr. Scrooge, it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute.
Ebenezer: Are there no prisons?
First Collector: Plenty of prisons.
Ebenezer: And the union workhouses - are they still in operation?
First Collector: They are. I wish I could say they were not.
Ebenezer: Oh, from what you said at first I was afraid that something had happened to stop them in their useful course. I'm very glad to hear it.
First Collector: I don't think you quite understand us, sir. A few of us are endeavoring to buy the poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth.
Ebenezer: Why?
First Collector: Because it is at Christmastime that want is most keenly felt, and abundance rejoices. Now what can I put you down for?
Ebenezer: Huh! Nothing!
Second Collector: You wish to be anonymous?
Ebenezer: [firmly, but calmly] I wish to be left alone. Since you ask me what I wish sir, that is my answer. I help to support the establishments I have named; those who are badly off must go there.
First Collector: Many can't go there.
Second Collector: And some would rather die.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #102 on:** November 27, 2010, 05:39:00 PM »

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Quote from: Catholic Samurai

I do not believe this to be true. At my parish there are ALWAYS guy and girls chatting with each other after Mass.

Some of them, yes. Very lax standards for some.

There is really nothing wrong with boys and girls chatting after mass.
Its either chatting there in a supervised environment, or sneaking around chatting and dating.
The bottom line is..........either your children have convictions about the faith and morals........or they dont. Some kids dont believe a word their parents or priests say.......they bide their time until they are free and can do what they want.
It comes as quite a shock to many parents what their kids do after graduation day! Ive seen it over and over.

Dawn · « **Reply #103 on:** November 27, 2010, 06:09:01 PM »

Quote from: Emerentiana

Quote from: Telesphorus
Quote from: Catholic Samurai

I do not believe this to be true. At my parish there are ALWAYS guy and girls chatting with each other after Mass.

Some of them, yes. Very lax standards for some.

There is really nothing wrong with boys and girls chatting after mass.
Its either chatting there in a supervised environment, or sneaking around chatting and dating.
The bottom line is..........either your children have convictions about the faith and morals........or they dont. Some kids dont believe a word their parents or priests say.......they bide their time until they are free and can do what they want.
It comes as quite a shock to many parents what their kids do after graduation day! Ive seen it over and over.

I agree with you Emerentiana. With everyone around it is a good place for young men and women to talk. I wish my oldest daughter had talked to the youths outside of where we attend the Mass. She did not. She talked to the Novus Ordoite next door. My daughter has left the Faith. And she was taught at home. The problem is not the Truly traditional Catholic Children, the problem is those outside the Faith. And, yes, by that I most definitely include the Novus Ordo.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #104 on:** November 27, 2010, 09:16:42 PM »

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I would love to hear Fr. Jenkins' side of your sob story.

By all means give him a call--I'm sure you two will get along famously.

Just Google Immaculate Conception Church Norwood Ohio.