My family is in the process of moving back East, after 8 years of living here. The person who wrote that being a Catholic is not enough to build a community hit the nail on the head for me. Ethic unity, along with a particular Catholic culture is neccesary for a community to thrive. America is just to plastic a place for a community to grow, I fear.

Jim, I envy you!  You are very fortunate to be able to move back home.  I agree with you, too, about ethnic unity.  That is why we had neighborhoods way back when - Italian, German, Polish, Irish - complete with their very own ethnic churches, schools, delicatessens and bakeries!!!  Those were the days; the "social engineers" and their block busters put an end to that.

Since you seem to know so much about the affair it sounds like you were actually pretty well acquainted with her.

So your calling me a liar??

But it begs the question... why instead of asking the issue to be addressed by the superiors did you instead go make a news story out of it? Why not bring it to the attention of the directors of the school, and if not them WHY NOT THE DISTRICT SUPERIOR??

I think someone without an agenda who is truly concerned would seek amendment, not go about trying to cause scandal ON THE OUTSIDE by rabel rousing (which btw, is what "reporters" do). Your methods, jmid, are not those of a person of good will.[/quote]

Only on these forums have I gotten this objection.

The SUPERIORS have been contacted, met with, spoken too, many times over the years, with no results. Like I posted earlier these shows were mild, they could have been a lot worse, but if this reaches the outside world, then you are going to see a sh*t storm like no other hit the press. These idiots, not me, are giving the enemies of The Church fresh meat to hit us over the head with. Consider a few of the facts

When I moved here my son’s class at ICA had over 20 students in it, the grade below had over 20 also, now in those two grades,( they are Juniors and Seniors today) there are a total of 6 students !!! Three in each grade!!  That means out of like 40 families only 6 make the grade?? The other 34 families are a bunch of liberals that need to be thrown out?? Ask yourself a question, what happens to all those children and families??

I know of a first grader who was thrown out with no explanation. When the Father approached the SUPERIOR he was never told why his son was expelled, not even the teacher knew why. He has written several letters that went unanswered.

At the girls school, St Dominic’s, is much, much worse. The ratios of graduation are ridiculous, and the pressure on the girls is unspeakable. There have been ѕυιcιdєs, nervous breakdowns, not to mention the loss of faith.

Emma was a very mild case also, she actually made it through. I’ve spoken to many young girls and boys who left the Faith because of their experiences. Let me tell you it is gut wrenching.

I have offered on here, to have critics speak to the people interviewed on a show to bring up their objections, but not one person came forward!! All this bravado, but as soon as a light is shown on them they run like the cockroaches they are.    

I’m sorry buddy, but I can’t just stand by and watch good Catholic families, who wanted to give their children a Traditional upbringing, get crushed by a small group of control freaks. One day one of these families are going to contact a lawyer and all of our chapels are going to be under the micro scope. If the authorities investigate there will be Nuns and Priests going to jail for child abuse. They will not have the power of The Vatican to protect them, like in the Homo scandals of the NO. Plus the modernists in the Church will have a field day with this, I’m sure they are aware of the situation already, they may be giving us enough rope so we can hang ourselves.

Plus isn’t this way of “sweeping it under the rug” attitude is what destroyed The Church to begin with?? When the liturgy was changed, teaching changed, children sɛҳuąƖly abused, homos in the seminaries, modernist Bishops, we were are told to shut up, write your superiors if you have a problem , offer it up.......all the while children were being raped, along with the peoples faith.

What is sad is how easily this can be rectified, and what a great place Post Falls can be!! Most Catholics would gladly suffer poverty if they knew that their children were being spiritually fed. Where is this meanness, and disorder coming from? Is it the lack of authority? Pride? I can’t put my finger on it.

So if you want to call me names go ahead, I’ve seen your type before, and I have very little tolerance for your girly b.s. If you live here in the Northwest just email me and we can settle this face to face, I have no problem with that at all. Or I’ll be back East soon enough if you live there also. Your choice.

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Am I calling you a liar? I call em when I smell them... snakes too.

Those are some pretty serious accusations that you have made to have not contacted the US DISTRICT SUPERIOR, and contradict what I have been told by someone who has spent a lot of time in Post Falls. In case you have not noticed, this is not the Novus Ordo, nor SGG. We dont resolve problems with mobs. What do you expect to accomplish in publishing reports on the schools to the general public? You still havent told us that much.


And you've got some nerve challenging my masculinity behind a username.... email to email isnt face to face. I got no problem facing the likes of you in person, (except I wouldnt be spending my time productively). Im a southern boy. You wanna deal with me in person, you bring your scaly ass down to Texas. I wouldnt recommend it though as it would be of no benefit to either of us.
 

Forty boys down to six is a problem anyway you look at it.  We

Jim's family has only been there for the last 8 years.

From what I've seen The SSPX has great priests, but they are not trained to be educators. That is not thier mission, and from what I understand The Arch Bishop did not want that responsibility, but it was forced onto them.

Give the schools to the parents, let them hire teachers, raise funds etc.....my opinon

Ah! THERE is your agenda... take away control of the schools and hand them over to be dictated by parish counsels that will keep the priests out of education.

What's wrong jmid, do you miss the corporate style parish of the NO? Is there too little Democracy in SSPX parishes for you?

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From what I've seen The SSPX has great priests, but they are not trained to be educators. That is not thier mission, and from what I understand The Arch Bishop did not want that responsibility, but it was forced onto them.

Give the schools to the parents, let them hire teachers, raise funds etc.....my opinon

Ah! THERE is your agenda... take away control of the schools and hand them over to be dictated by parish counsels that will keep the priests out of education.

What's wrong jmid, do you miss the corporate style parish of the NO? Is there too little Democracy in SSPX parishes for you?

If these schools are unsuccessful and riddled with serious problems, why should they continue unchanged? Why are you in favor of protecting failure? Because of some misguided notion of "principle?"

I did not say there should be no changes made, that is if there are really problems. Taking away administrative powers from the priests in education is not the answer, as it always leads to disaster for the community. Ask the Jesuits.

-- but what specifically concerns me is that there are people, in addition to the clergy, prominent traditional Catholic laypersons, who have urged various individuals who were seeking the true Faith, worship, and sacraments, to move to be near traditional chapels, all the while knowing over a long time period that there were serious problems at those chapels.  Misleading those searching Catholics for their own purposes, and through what I perceive as the unworthy motive of avoiding scandal at all costs, rather than being prepared to reveal the specific knowledge they had of the wrongdoing and corruption.

 Your concern is well founded.  This is cult behavior.

A very big part of the problem is that there are a bunch of spiritual beginners who think they are proficient or advanced because of the accidental illusion that adhering to traditional Catholicism gives.  Consequently, you have alot of vice and imperfections remaining among Catholics who think there should be alot less, so it goes unattended and festers.  This is in addition to the fixation on external religion which is viewed as an end in itself.  This isn't anything that good efforts in the interior life couldn't solve.  But gnawing at the bark while failing to attain the pith in our criticisms of problems is obviously not going to help anything.