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Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
« Reply #75 on: June 14, 2023, 04:38:10 PM »
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  • Actually only a few people need to be in on the conspiracy.

    People are so indoctrinated that even after they see with their own two eyes objects that should be miles below the horizon they still don't realize they were fooled.
    We live in a time in which people see a man with their own two eyes and demand that we call him a woman, allow him to go into women's restrooms and locker rooms, allow him to compete against women in sports, and celebrate him as a superstar. . .  and they still don't realize they were fooled.
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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #76 on: June 14, 2023, 05:32:50 PM »
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  • So, according to the prevailing FE model (a general model), the shape of the earth would have Antarctica not actually being a continent at the South pole, but rather an ice wall or perimeter around the outer edge.

    So it would look something like this:


    So because of that, when the sun is furthest south, at the tropic of Capricorn, it would be difficult to explain how it could continuously light up the entire circuit formed by Antarctica.  There could be course be extensive illumination caused by reflection off the firmament, but this would not allow for illumination of the entire perimeter of Antarctica for 24 hours.

    Okay, bear with me because I am new to this.  I still believe the objections I raised earlier in this discussion refute the flat earth, and the more I think about them the more certain I am about it, but I have some other unrelated questions/points.

    If I understood you correctly, what FE's call Antarctica is not a continent, but a circular ring of ice along the perimeter of the flat earth.  The white part in the picture above.   A difficulty for the FE's is that some claim Antarctica experiences light 24 hours a day (at certain periods of the year).  But, according to the FE model, there's no way the perimeter could be lit up for 24 hours. Therefore, if Antarctica was truly lit up 24 hours a day, it would disprove FE. 

    One problem is that the same word is being used to describe two entirely different things.  To everyone else, Antarctica is a continent in a particular location on the Earth. To the FE's, "Antarctica" is a large spherical shaped disc that surrounds the earth.  The only thing that is the same is the word that is used to describe it.  

    Regarding the 24 hr light experiment, if a camera crew went to a location in Antarctica and proved that it was indeed light 24/7, it would only prove that it was light in that particular location 24/7.  If an FE set up in one location and had the same result, it would prove that it was light 24/7 at that particulate location of the disc.  To prove it was light 24/7 in the entire sphere that FE's call Antarctica, camera crews would have to set up at hundreds of locations around the disc shaped perimeter at the same time.  So, the difficulty for an FE is not trying to explain how the sun "could continuously light up the entire circuit formed by Antarctica."  It is to explain how the sun could light up one location 24/7.  

    The real difficulty is explaining how the sun could be above the surface of the flat earth, without everyone on earth seeing it.  As I mentioned in my earlier objection, if the light of the sun is directional, and shines down on the earth like a flashlight, then you have to explain how the sun can appear circular above the horizon, and remain circular as it rises from one direction, passes over head, and then sets in the opposite direction, all the while appearing as a round disc.  That's not possible if the sun is always above the earth and shining down on it, in a circular pattern, like a flashlight.   That simple argument is what refutes the Fflt Earth theory.








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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #77 on: June 14, 2023, 05:44:15 PM »
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  • I'm going to assume you are ignorant. The current idea among flat earthers is that Antarctica compasses the edge of the earth. And the Antarctic treaty prevents people from exploring past the 66° latitude. People have tried and were forced (literally) to turn back or to be destroyed.
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    This is false. Lots of people have gone to the geographic south pole even after this treaty. There was a computer geek from Utah who even rode a bicycle to the south pole in 2013-14.

    Here's a list from Wikipedia of all the private citizens who have gone to the south pole in recent decades:

    • 1988–1989 – South Pole Overland. Patriot Hills to South Pole. First commercial Ski expedition to South Pole. 1200 km, 50 days – led by Martyn Williams[13]
    • 1989–1990 – Antarctic crossing on foot by Reinhold Messner and Arved Fuchs. 2800 km. 92 days[14]
    • 1989–1990 – 1990 International Trans-Antarctica Expedition – led by American Will Steger and Frenchman Jean-Louis Étienne, first un-mechanized crossing – 6,021 km, 220-days[15]
    • 1989–1991 – 35th Soviet Antarctic Expedition – led by V.M. Piguzov
    • 1990 – 1st North Korean Antarctic Expedition[16]
    • 1990 – Snotsicle Traverse Ski expedition – South Pole to Ross Sea inland edge via Scott Glacier. 9 611 km in 35 days– led by Martyn Williams[17]
    • 1990–1991 – 2nd North Korean Antarctic Expedition[16]
    • 1991–1992 – 36th Soviet Antarctic Expedition – led by Lev Savatyugin
    • 1992–1993 – American Women's Antarctic Expedition- AWE. First team of women to ski to the South Pole: Ann Bancroft, Sunniva Sorby, Anne DalVera, Sue Giller- 67 days
    • 1992–1993 – British Polar Plod – led by Ranulph Fiennes with Mike Stroud (physician), first unassisted expedition crossing the continent by ski, (2,173 km in 95 days)
    • 1992–1993 – Erling Kagge (Norway), first unassisted, and first solo expedition to the South Pole by ski, (1,310 km in 53 days)
    • 1992–1993 – Antarctic Environmental Research Expedition – led by Kenji Yoshikawa
    • 1994 – Liv Arnesen (Norway), first unassisted woman to the South Pole by ski, (1,200 km in 50 days)
    • 1994 – Cato Zahl Pedersen (Norway) becomes the first person with no arms to ski to the South Pole (1400 km from Berkner Island), together with Lars Ebbesen and Odd Harald Hauge
    • 1995 – "A Pole at the Poles" – Marek Kamiński solo expedition to the South Pole from Berkner Island (1,400 km in 53 days);
    • 1995–1996 – Bernard Voyer and Thierry Pétry unassisted expedition to the South Pole by ski
    • 1996 – Lake Vostok discovered
    • 1996–1997 – "Solo TransAntarctica" – Marek Kamiński attempted solo crossing of Antarctica (1,450 km);
    • 1996–1997 – Børge Ousland (Norway) first person to travel across Antarctica solo. The crossing went from coast to coast, from Berkner Island to the Ross Sea, and was unsupported (without resupplies). He used a kite as traction for parts of the expedition. 63 days, 3,000 km
    • 1997–1998 – Peter Treseder, Keith Williams & Ian Brown become the first Australians to ski unsupported (no sail) to the South Geographic Pole, 1317 km in 59 days from Berkner Island, 2Nov-31Dec, flown out by ANI.[18]
    • 1998–1999 – Eric Philips, Jon Muir and Peter Hillary pioneer a new route from Ross Island to the South Pole through the Transantarctic Mountains via the Shackleton then Zaneveld glaciers. The expedition covers 1425 km in 84 days setting off 4 November 1998 and arriving 26 January 1999. The team were not able to complete their original objective of completing the first unassisted return journey to the South Pole.
    21st century
    • 2000–2001– Norwegian Liv Arnesen and the American Ann Bancroft crossed Antarctica on ski-sail from Blue 1 Runaway 13 November reaching after 94 days of expedition McMurdo Station, passing through the South Pole.[19]
    • 2001–2002 – First and longest sea kayak expedition by New Zealanders Graham Charles, Marcus Waters and Mark Jones paddle unsupported from Hope Bay to Adelaide Island in 35 days.
    • 2004 – Scot100 First ever Scottish Expedition to South Pole[20] began in October 2004 – a century after a historic expedition led by William Speirs Bruce, Edinburgh's "unknown" explorer, who Craig Mathieson views as "truly the greatest polar explorer of all time".
    • 2004 – Together to the Pole – a Polish four-man expedition led by Marek Kamiński, with Jan Mela (a teenage double amputee, who in the same year reached also the North Pole)
    • 2004–2005 – Chilean South Pole Expedition.
    • 2004–2005 – Tangra 2004/05 created Camp Academia.
    • 2005 – Ice Challenger Expedition travelled to the South Pole in a six-wheeled vehicle.[21]
    • 2005–2006 – Spanish Trans-Antarctic Expedition, led by Ramon Larramendi, reached the Southern Pole of Inaccessibility using kite-sleds.[22]
    • 2005-2006 – Construction of the South Pole Traverse completed
    • 2006 – Hannah McKeand sets coast-to-pole solo/unsupported record of 39 days, 9 hours and 33 minutes[23]
    • 2006–2007 – Jenny and Ray Jardine 57-day ski trek to South Pole[24]
    • 2007 – Pat Falvey leads an Irish team to reach the South Pole, skiing 1140 km only weeks after completing an unsupported Ski traverse of the Greenland Ice Cap in August 2007 in honour of Irish Polar Explorers such as Ernest Shackleton and Tom Crean. Clare O'Leary becomes the first Irish female to reach the South Pole.
    • 2007–2008 – Norwegian-U.S. Scientific Traverse of East Antarctica.[25]
    • 2007–2008 – British Army Antarctic Expedition 2007–2008[26]
    • 2007–2008 – Verden Vakreste Skitur. Randi Skaug, Kristin Moe-Krohn and Anne-Mette Nørregaard skied unsupported from Patriot Hills across The Sentinel range to Vinson Massif to climb Mount Vinson[27]
    • 2008 – Todd Carmichael sets coast-to-pole solo/unsupported record of 39 days, 7 hours and 49 minutes[28]
    • 2008 – First Venezuelan Scientific Expedition to Antarctica.
    • 2008–2009 – The Antarctica Challenge – Canada-US International Polar Year expedition led by Mark Terry.[29]
    • 2008–2009 – Impossible 2 Possible (i2P) unsupported South Pole quest by Ray Zahab, Kevin Vallely and Richard Weber.[30]
    • 2009 – Azerbaijan Scientific Expedition
    • 2009 – Kaspersky Commonwealth Antarctic Expedition, largest and most international group of women to ski to South Pole.
    • 2009 – Second Venezuelan Scientific Expedition to Antarctica.
    • 2009–2010 – Unsupported/Unassisted Antarctica Ski Traverse from Berkner Island to South Pole to Ross Sea by Cecilie Skog and Ryan Waters.
    • 2010 – Moon Regan Transantarctic Crossing, first wheeled transantarctic crossing and first bio-fuelled vehicle to travel to the South Pole.[31]
    • 2010 – Third Venezuelan Scientific Expedition to Antarctica.
    • 2011 – Fourth Venezuelan Scientific Expedition to Antarctica.
    • 2011–2012 – From Novolazarevskaya to Pole of Inaccessibility to South Pole to Hercules inlet by Sebastian Copeland and Eric McNair Landry by kites and skis.[32]
    • 2011–2012 – Scott Amundsen Centenary Race – Henry Worsley and Louis Rudd ski 1,300 km (800 mi) unsupported along the original route of Amundsen from the Bay of Whales up the Axel Heiberg to the SP racing against Mark Langridge, Vic Vicary and Kev Johnson completing Capt Scott's original route.
    • 2011–2012 – British Services Antarctic Expedition 2012[33]
    • 2011–2012 – Expedition by Ramon Hernando de Larramendi, by Inuit WindSled.[34]
    • 2012 – Felicity Aston becomes the first person to ski alone across Antarctica using only personal muscle power, as well as the first woman to cross Antarctica alone.[35][36] Her journey began on 25 November 2011, at the Leverett Glacier, and continued for 59 days and a distance of 1,744 km (1,084 mi).[37]
    • 2012 – Fifth Venezuelan Scientific Expedition to Antarctica.
    • 2012–2013 – Aaron Linsdau becomes the second American to ski solo from the Hercules Inlet to the South Pole. His original plan was to make a round trip but through a series of problems, like all other expeditions this year, was unable to make the return journey.[38]
    • 2012 – Eric Larsen attempts a bicycle ride from coast to South Pole. Completes a quarter of the distance.
    • 2012 – Grant Korgan becomes the first person with a spinal cord injury to literally "push" himself to the geographic South Pole![39][40][41][42][43]
    • 2012–2013 – Shackleton's centenary re-enactment expedition of the journey of the James Caird aboard the replica Alexandra Shackleton. Six British and Australian Explorers completed the "double journey" on 10 February 2013 after the 1,300-kilometre (800 mi) journey from Elephant Island to South Georgia and the mountain crossing.[44]
    • 2013 – Sixth Venezuelan Scientific Expedition to Antarctica.
    • 2013–2014 – Ben Saunders and Tarka L'Herpiniere make the first ever completion of the Terra Nova Expedition first taken by Robert Falcon Scott in January 1912. Their 2,898-kilometre (1,801 mi), 105-day return journey to the South Pole is the longest ever polar journey on foot.[45]
    • 2013 – Parker Liautaud and Douglas Stoup attempt in December 2013 the Willis Resilience Expedition[46] to set a "coast to Pole" speed record[47] by reaching the geographical South Pole on skis in the fastest journey ever recorded from an interior of continent start while being followed by a support vehicle.
    • 2013 – Antony Jinman will walk to the South Pole solo for the 2013 ETE Teachers South Pole Mission, during which he will be in daily contact with schoolchildren from across the United Kingdom and will make films using the world's first drone flights at the South Pole.
    • 2013 – Maria Leijerstam becomes the first person to cycle from the Antarctic coast to South Pole. She also set the human powered speed record in 10 days, 14 hours and 56 minutes.
    • 2013–2014 – Lewis Clarke (aged 16 years and 61 days) guided by Carl Alvey (aged 30) became the youngest person to trek from the Antarctic coast at Hercules Inlet to the South Pole. His expedition was in support of the Prince's Trust and his achievement is recognised by Guinness World Records.
    • 2013–2014 – Married couple Christine (Chris) Fagan and Marty Fagan became the first American married couple (and second married couple in history) to complete a full unguided, unsupported, unassisted ski from the Antarctic coast to the South Pole. They join just over 100 people in history who have traveled to the South Pole in this manner. Their expedition took 48 days. Their achievement is recognized by Guinness World Records.
    • 2013–2014 – Daniel P. Burton completes the first bicycle ride from coast to the South Pole.
    • 2013–2014 – Chris Turney led an expedition, entitled "Spirit of Mawson", aimed at highlighting the decline in sea ice due to climate change. The expedition was abandoned when its Russian ship became stuck in unusually large amounts of sea ice.
    • 2013 – In December 2013 the Expeditions 7 Team led by Scott Brady made a successful east-to-west crossing in four-wheel drive vehicles from Novolazarevskaya to the Ross Ice Shelf via the Scott-Amundsen South Pole Station. Expeditions 7's logistic plan included providing assistance to the Walking With The Wounded expedition, which was required at latitude 88°S. From the Ross Ice Shelf the Expeditions 7 team returned to Novolazarevskaya via the same route.
    • 2015–2016 – Luke Robertson (UK) becomes the first Scot – and the first person with an artificial pacemaker – to ski solo, unsupported (no resupply) and unassisted (no kiting) from the coast of Antarctica (Hercules Inlet) to the South Pole.[48]
    • 2015–2016 – Henry Worsley died while attempting to complete the first solo and unaided crossing of the Antarctic.[49]
    • 2016 – First Homeward Bound expedition, then the largest all-women expedition to Antarctica.[50]
    • 2016–2017 – Malgorzata Wojtaczka – 52 years old Polish, after 69 days completes solo-unaided-unsupported expedition from Hercules Inlet to the South Pole.
    • 2016–2017 – Spear17, a six-man team from the British Army Reserves successfully completed a full traverse of Antarctica. They set off on 16 November from Hercules Inlet, arrived at the South Pole on Christmas Day, and completed a full traverse reaching Ross Ice Shelf on 20 January 2017. The aim of the expedition was to raise the profile of the army reservists, and to honour the memory of fellow explorer Henry Worsley. The team was led by Captain Louis Rudd, MBE[51][52]
    • 2016–2017 – Eric Philips (guide), Keith Tuffley and Rob Smith ski a new route to the South Pole from the Ross Ice Shelf through the Transantarctic Mountains following the Reedy Glacier. The expedition covers 605 km in 33 days setting off 8 December 2017 and arriving 10 January 2017.
    • 2016–2017 – On 7 February Mike Horn completes first ever solo, unsupported north-to-south traverse of Antarctica from the Princess Astrid Coast (lat −70.1015 lon 9.8249) to the Dumont D'urville Station (lat −66.6833 lon 139.9167) via the South Pole. He arrived at the pole on 7 February 2017. A total distance of 5100 km was covered utilizing kites and skis in 57 days.[53]
    • 2016–2017 – Eric Philips (guide), Heath Jamieson (guide), Jade Hameister, Paul Hameister and Ming D'Arcy ski a new route to the South Pole from the Ross Ice Shelf through the Transantarctic Mountains following the Reedy Glacier then Kansas Glacier. The expedition covers 605 km in 33 days, setting off 6 December 2017 and arriving 11 January 2018.
    • 2017–2018 – Astrid Forhold (Norway), supported by Jan Sverre Sivertsen, skies the longest part of the original Roald Amundsen route from Bay of Whales to the South Pole.[citation needed]
    • 2018 – Colin O'Brady (USA) completed an unsupported (no resupplies or supply drops) solo crossing of Antarctica (not including the ice shelves). He started inland at the end of the Ronne Ice Shelf on 3 November 2018, passed through the South Pole and arrived inland at the start of the Ross Ice Shelf on 26 December 2018.[54][55][56] Louis Rudd (UK), who started on the same day as Brady and took a similar route, completed his unsupported solo trek two days later, arriving at Ross Ice Shelf on 28 December 2018[57]
    • 2018–2019 – On 13 January, Matthieu Tordeur (France) becomes the first French and youngest in the world (27 years and 40 days) to ski solo, unsupported (no resupply) and unassisted (no kiting) from the coast of Antarctica (Hercules Inlet) to the South Pole.[58]
    • 2019 – SD 1020, an unmanned surface vehicle (USV) designed by British engineer Richard Jenkins of Saildrone, Inc. in Alameda, CA, completed the first autonomous circuмnavigation of Antarctica, sailing 22,000 km (12,000 nmi) through the Southern Ocean in 196 days, from 19 January 2019 to 3 August 2019. The vehicle was deployed and retrieved from Bluff, New Zealand.[59]
    • 2019 – The first human-powered transit (by rowing) across the Drake Passage was accomplished on 25 December 2019, by captain Fiann Paul (Iceland), first mate Colin O'Brady (US), Andrew Towne (US), Cameron Bellamy (South Africa), Jamie Douglas-Hamilton (UK) and John Petersen (US).[60]
    • 2019–2020 – Anja Blacha completes the longest solo, unsupported, unassisted polar expedition by a woman, skiing from Berkner Island to the South Pole[61][62]
    • 2019-2020 Wendy Searle becomes the seventh woman to ski solo unsupported from the Hercules Inlet to the pole [61][63]
    • 2019–2020 – Mollie Hughes skied from Hercules Inlet to the pole, travelling 1,130 km (702 mi).[64]
    • 2021–2022 – Preet Chandi, a British Sikh army officer, became the first woman of colour to reach the south pole unassisted.[65]


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #78 on: June 14, 2023, 05:47:54 PM »
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  • This is false. Lots of people have gone to the geographic south pole even after this treaty. There was a computer geek from Utah who even rode a bicycle to the south pole in 2013-14.

    No, it's not.  All trips to Antarctica have to be pre-approved by the proper authorities and have to meet certain strict conditions for approval.  Someone has a video regarding the mounds of paperwork that have to be completed.  Nobody is saying that no one can go there, just that no one can go there without strict government oversight.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #79 on: June 14, 2023, 05:48:31 PM »
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  • Here is a picture of what is at the south pole:



    And here is a picture of a guy at the south pole showing his GPS device indicating he is at exactly 90 degrees south latitude, the south pole:



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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #80 on: June 14, 2023, 05:48:52 PM »
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  • Okay, bear with me because I am new to this.  I still believe the objections I raised earlier in this discussion refute the flat earth, and the more I think about them the more certain I am about it, but I have some other unrelated questions/points.

    If I understood you correctly, what FE's call Antarctica is not a continent, but a circular ring of ice along the perimeter of the flat earth.  The white part in the picture above.  A difficulty for the FE's is that some claim Antarctica experiences light 24 hours a day (at certain periods of the year).  But, according to the FE model, there's no way the perimeter could be lit up for 24 hours. Therefore, if Antarctica was truly lit up 24 hours a day, it would disprove FE.

    One problem is that the same word is being used to describe two entirely different things.  To everyone else, Antarctica is a continent in a particular location on the Earth. To the FE's, "Antarctica" is a large spherical shaped disc that surrounds the earth.  The only thing that is the same is the word that is used to describe it. 

    Regarding the 24 hr light experiment, if a camera crew went to a location in Antarctica and proved that it was indeed light 24/7, it would only prove that it was light in that particular location 24/7.  If an FE set up in one location and had the same result, it would prove that it was light 24/7 at that particulate location of the disc.  To prove it was light 24/7 in the entire sphere that FE's call Antarctica, camera crews would have to set up at hundreds of locations around the disc shaped perimeter at the same time.  So, the difficulty for an FE is not trying to explain how the sun "could continuously light up the entire circuit formed by Antarctica."  It is to explain how the sun could light up one location 24/7. 

    The real difficulty is explaining how the sun could be above the surface of the flat earth, without everyone on earth seeing it.  As I mentioned in my earlier objection, if the light of the sun is directional, and shines down on the earth like a flashlight, then you have to explain how the sun can appear circular above the horizon, and remain circular as it rises from one direction, passes over head, and then sets in the opposite direction, all the while appearing as a round disc.  That's not possible if the sun is always above the earth and shining down on it, in a circular pattern, like a flashlight.  That simple argument is what refutes the Fflt Earth theory.
    That simple "argument" is based on an ignorance of rudimentary physics. Google the inverse square law of light.

    To put it in layman's terms, light dissipates with range. You can check this for yourself by taking a flashlight to a high place and trying to light up a neighbouring town.

    Jokes aside, the inverse square law of light is one more genius proof of the massive deception.



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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #81 on: June 14, 2023, 05:51:22 PM »
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  • Regarding the 24 hr light experiment, if a camera crew went to a location in Antarctica and proved that it was indeed light 24/7, it would only prove that it was light in that particular location 24/7.  If an FE set up in one location and had the same result, it would prove that it was light 24/7 at that particulate location of the disc.  To prove it was light 24/7 in the entire sphere that FE's call Antarctica, camera crews would have to set up at hundreds of locations around the disc shaped perimeter at the same time.  So, the difficulty for an FE is not trying to explain how the sun "could continuously light up the entire circuit formed by Antarctica."  It is to explain how the sun could light up one location 24/7. 

    I don't think they'd have to prove 24 hour light in all the locations, just in one location.  Given the perimeter ice wall theory, no particular point along the entire perimeter could be in daylight for 24 hours straight ... barring some unknown phenomenon or alternate source of illumination.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #82 on: June 14, 2023, 05:52:55 PM »
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  • No, it's not.  All trips to Antarctica have to be pre-approved by the proper authorities and have to meet certain strict conditions for approval.  Someone has a video regarding the mounds of paperwork that have to be completed.  Nobody is saying that no one can go there, just that no one can go there without strict government oversight.
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    Um, I was just responding to Tony, who said:

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    The current idea among flat earthers is that Antarctica compasses the edge of the earth. And the Antarctic treaty prevents people from exploring past the 66° latitude. People have tried and were forced (literally) to turn back or to be destroyed.

    If he's wrong, you should take that up with him.

    In any case, now the discussion has shifted radically. You have said numerous times that the government doesn't allow people to go to the south pole because it doesn't want them to see either the edge of the earth or the wall of the firmament. Now when I post information that people go to the south pole all the time, you say that yes, the government does allow people to go to the south pole as long as they fill out lots of paperwork. These are two complete different positions.


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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #83 on: June 14, 2023, 05:55:00 PM »
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  • No, it's not.  All trips to Antarctica have to be pre-approved by the proper authorities and have to meet certain strict conditions for approval.  Someone has a video regarding the mounds of paperwork that have to be completed.  Nobody is saying that no one can go there, just that no one can go there without strict government oversight.
    I get tired of these arguments real quick when people straw man all the time.

    Also, it's always a bunch of digressions. No one cares to refute the main see too far argument or the infinite vacuum next to the atmosphere.

    I love the 16 emergency landings that prove a flat earth as well. Clear as day.

    Attention all globers, if you want to defend your ball earth start with refuting the black swan or the double laser experiment. By ignoring the strongest proof you're admitting you have no answer.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #84 on: June 14, 2023, 05:57:16 PM »
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  • The real difficulty is explaining how the sun could be above the surface of the flat earth, without everyone on earth seeing it.  As I mentioned in my earlier objection, if the light of the sun is directional, and shines down on the earth like a flashlight, then you have to explain how the sun can appear circular above the horizon, and remain circular as it rises from one direction, passes over head, and then sets in the opposite direction, all the while appearing as a round disc.  That's not possible if the sun is always above the earth and shining down on it, in a circular pattern, like a flashlight.  That simple argument is what refutes the Fflt Earth theory.

    That's actually not too difficult.  You can simulate this over top of a plate by using a little flashlight.  If it's close enough to the plate the light will not illuminate the entire plate, just the part of it that it's over at the time.  It all depends on the size of the sun, its proximity to the earth, and structure of the sun, i.e. whether it's like a light bulb or more directed in its rays, and, finally the strength of its light, as far enough away, it could simply be occluded by the atmosphere in between and could not penetrate through that much atmosphere.  So many factors can be involved in how the light can be seen on different parts of the earth.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #85 on: June 14, 2023, 05:57:49 PM »
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  • Here is a picture of what is at the south pole:



    And here is a picture of a guy at the south pole showing his GPS device indicating he is at exactly 90 degrees south latitude, the south pole:



    Terrific.  I could replicate this in my backyard after a snowfall and hardcoding a digital readout on my device.  NASA has gone to much greater lengths than this to fake stuff.


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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #86 on: June 14, 2023, 06:04:28 PM »
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  • I get tired of these arguments real quick when people straw man all the time.

    Also, it's always a bunch of digressions. No one cares to refute the main see too far argument or the infinite vacuum next to the atmosphere.

    Right.  "See too far" and the infinite vacuum adjacent to an atmosphere have not and cannot be explained.  Also ignored is that the Church Fathers unanimously believed in a solid firmament that holds back actual physical waters.  Globers are found of cherry-picking quotes from one or another Father they think believed in a globe/ball earth, but then ignore the unanimity of their opinion regarding the firmament.  We see this in just about every area, where someone already has reached a conclusion, and then use confirmation bias to filter out stuff that doesn't fit with their prior conclusion.

    Everybody touts "science", but the scientific method entails collecting ALL the datapoints and trying to form a coherent hypothesis about how they work together, not cherry-picking the stuff that fits with their preconceived idea and then ignoring the other stuff.  With regard to "see too far," I've repeatedly admitted that this could in theory be explained by a globe ... one that's MUCH larger than what modern science claims it is.  But that's how scientific inquiry works.  You go through all possible explanations for a phenomenon and then try to fit them all together.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #87 on: June 14, 2023, 06:06:06 PM »
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  • Um, I was just responding to Tony, who said:

    If he's wrong, you should take that up with him.

    He was talking about individuals on their own initiative.  Everyone knows that sponsored and pre-approved trips have been permitted over the years.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #88 on: June 14, 2023, 06:07:27 PM »
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  • Attention all globers, if you want to defend your ball earth start with refuting the black swan or the double laser experiment. By ignoring the strongest proof you're admitting you have no answer.
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    Just a mirage.

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    Re: SSPX Article Against Flat-Erthism
    « Reply #89 on: June 14, 2023, 06:12:16 PM »
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    Just a mirage.
    And there it is, the magic word. Consistent mirages whenever someone tries to find the curvature it miraculously disappears.

    You just demonstrated to everyone of good will you just wave off evidence and don't explain anything.

    I know all about how mirages work, if you did you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself like this.