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Offline Smedley Butler

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Question for Croix de Fer
« on: July 03, 2018, 12:20:18 PM »
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  • Do you believe the woman is expected to contribute financially to the marriage? 

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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #1 on: July 03, 2018, 12:44:28 PM »
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  • Do you believe the woman is expected to contribute financially to the marriage?

    Lame question. My comments are clear as to my position on that subject. If you can't figure it out, you're either pretending to have read my comments, or you lack reading comprehension, or you lack deductive and inductive reasoning.
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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #2 on: July 03, 2018, 01:00:58 PM »
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  • Lame question. My comments are clear as to my position on that subject. If you can't figure it out, you're either pretending to have read my comments, or you lack reading comprehension, or you lack deductive and inductive reasoning.
    I've not seen you mention it at all.
    That's why I asked.
    Why won't you answer?

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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #3 on: July 03, 2018, 05:01:26 PM »
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  • Why don't you ask the question within one of the many threads already going? 
    Why do have to start a Croix de Fer thread?

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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #4 on: July 03, 2018, 05:02:57 PM »
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  • Why don't you ask the question within one of the many threads already going?
    Why do have to start a Croix de Fer thread?
    Doesn't matter.  He won't answer.


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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #5 on: July 03, 2018, 05:11:56 PM »
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  • Doesn't matter.  He won't answer.
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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #6 on: July 03, 2018, 05:45:10 PM »
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  • Why don't you ask the question within one of the many threads already going?
    Why do have to start a Croix de Fer thread?
    I don't read every thread.
    It's an important question that he has not answered.
    I think I know why:
    CDF believes a woman should contribute financially to the marriage,  in direct CONTRADICTION to Church teaching.
    He thinks women should work and earn a paycheck.
    I say this because he described a divorce where during the marriage the man saved $200K but the woman saved $50k.
    Where'd she get the $50k from? Working.
    Croix de Fer is therefore a FEMINIST.
    He believes women should work to earn money, rather than raise the kids.
    He is a FEMINIST.

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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #7 on: July 03, 2018, 05:49:29 PM »
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  • I think I know why:
    CDF believes a woman should contribute financially to the marriage,  in direct CONTRADICTION to Church teaching.
    Wrong, Smelly.


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    He thinks women should work and earn a paycheck.
    I say this because he described a divorce where during the marriage thean saved $200K but the woman saved $50k.
    Where'd she get the $50k from? Working.
    Croix de Fer is therefore a FEMINIST.
    He believes women should work to earn money, rather than raise the kids.
    He is a FEMINIST.
    Wrong, again, Smelly. I was merely throwing numbers out there to easily illustrate a scenario between husband & wife during a "divorce" and how things would be distributed according to the prenup that they both signed before marriage. Naturally, the reader will ask how the woman acquired $50,000, but I only mentioned it to give an easy example, not because I believe women should work for money while they're married.
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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #8 on: July 03, 2018, 06:31:21 PM »
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  • Ok , good - you agree women should not work.


    So since God has joined the two into one, and she came in with zero dollars and earned zero dollars, it is actually their money equally, and she entitled to half of it.

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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #9 on: July 03, 2018, 06:55:49 PM »
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  • So since God has joined the two into one, and she came in with zero dollars and earned zero dollars, it is actually their money equally, and she entitled to half of it.

    Wrong. Your "equality" stance is feminist.

    Firstly, during the marriage, the husband is the sole authority on how the money and assets are to be distributed within the family. It's not the wife's decision. God didn't intend such decisions to be hers. The husband is head of the household.

    Secondly, in the event the wife "divorces" her husband through no fault of his own (it happens more often than not), she deserves absolutely nothing outside of child support for the kids, and even in cases of child support, she should not be relied upon as the conduit of the husband's resources to his kids. This is why a prenuptial agreement is necessary, and even better, also, avoidance of a state marriage license.
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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #10 on: July 03, 2018, 07:04:50 PM »
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  • Wrong. Your "equality" stance is feminist.

    Firstly, during the marriage, the husband is the sole authority on how the money and assets are to be distributed within the family. It's not the wife's decision. God didn't intend such decisions to be hers. The husband is head of the household.

    Secondly, in the event the wife "divorces" her husband through no fault of his own (it happens more often than not), she deserves absolutely nothing outside of child support for the kids, and even in cases of child support, she should not be relied upon as the conduit of the husband's resources to his kids. This is why a prenuptial agreement is necessary, and even better, also, avoidance of a state marriage license.
    If the woman were to be paid, she'd have to draw income for several jobs: baby sitter, house cleaner, grocery shopper, meal prepper, nurse, doctor, butler, hostess, driver, night watch and a whole host of other duties. The woman would certainly be due the lion's share of the monetary value of her services in the case of divorce.  The man usually works a certain number of hours and does a single job, and actually gets paid for it. The woman's job is never done, she's on call 24 hrs a day and without remuneration for it.  Any gal that signed a 50/50 deal for prenup is a fool.  


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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #11 on: July 03, 2018, 07:25:18 PM »
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  • Wrong. Your "equality" stance is feminist.

    Firstly, during the marriage, the husband is the sole authority on how the money and assets are to be distributed within the family. It's not the wife's decision. God didn't intend such decisions to be hers. The husband is head of the household.

    Secondly, in the event the wife "divorces" her husband through no fault of his own (it happens more often than not), she deserves absolutely nothing outside of child support for the kids, and even in cases of child support, she should not be relied upon as the conduit of the husband's resources to his kids. This is why a prenuptial agreement is necessary, and even better, also, avoidance of a state marriage license.
    By virtue of the sacrament joining them TOGETHER the assets acquired are not solely "his" - it is now THEIRS.
    THAT MONEY IS NOT JUST YOURS, IT IS LITERALLY HERS ALSO. 
    Even the IRS recognizes this and charges her taxes based on the joint filing.
    It sounds like the one who needs protection from a predatory spouse would be the lady dumb enough to marry you.

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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #12 on: July 03, 2018, 07:31:56 PM »
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  • If the woman were to be paid, she'd have to draw income for several jobs: baby sitter, house cleaner, grocery shopper, meal prepper, nurse, doctor, butler, hostess, driver, night watch and a whole host of other duties. The woman would certainly be due the lion's share of the monetary value of her services in the case of divorce.  The man usually works a certain number of hours and does a single job, and actually gets paid for it. The woman's job is never done, she's on call 24 hrs a day and without remuneration for it.  Any gal that signed a 50/50 deal for prenup is a fool.  
    If a woman home schools the children I think her services are very valuable. But if she does not home school and sends the children to public school I don't think her services are that valuable. Most of the work in keeping a home has been made far easier than it used to be because of modern technology. How much do day care workers make anyway? Very little, and they take care of many children at a time, not just one or two.
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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #13 on: July 03, 2018, 07:46:30 PM »
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  • By virtue of the sacrament joining them TOGETHER the assets acquired are not solely "his" - it is now THEIRS.
    THAT MONEY IS NOT JUST YOURS, IT IS LITERALLY HERS ALSO.
    Even the IRS recognizes this and charges her taxes based on the joint filing.
    It sounds like the one who needs protection from a predatory spouse would be the lady dumb enough to marry you.

    That doesn't nullify the fact that the husband is the head of the household, and only he should determine the distribution of the money & assets as he best sees fit for the family. It's not the decision of the wife. Furthermore, a woman loses rights to that material support when she "divorces" him and physically separates herself from him to be alone or to be with another man. The joint holding of money & assets is only in effect when the woman is physically, mentally, spiritually & emotionally in union her husband. That means she must be by his side. Just because the Church still deems the man and woman married, even in the event of her "divorcing" him and moving away from him, doesn't mean she is entitled to half of what they shared as a married couple. Why don't you protest the fact that courts give far more than half of what was held by the couple to the wife during "divorce", if you're so concerned about equal distribution of everything? You sissy brain.
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    Re: Question for Croix de Fer
    « Reply #14 on: July 03, 2018, 07:51:47 PM »
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  • It sounds like the one who needs protection from a predatory spouse would be the lady dumb enough to marry you.
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