Author Topic: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana (Read 11790 times)

Mark 79 · « **Reply #120 on:** March 20, 2022, 12:22:52 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 20, 2022, 04:14:35 AM

…The posting above was posted four times by Mark79 because I do not respond to it.…

Of course you haven't responded.

You demand answers from others about their private lives, but will not answer questions about your public postings.

You claimed you "experienced" the advice of multiple priests and the content of multiple penitents' confessions before and after the advice, so that you were in a position to judge the effectiveness of the advice of their confessors.

Then, blind to your hypocrisy and illogic, you made a statement that you could not know such things about others.

You have projected your own disordered life before 40 on others. You boasted about your "functionality" as if anyone here shares your embarrassing obsession with sex.

You have repeated your family stories in multiple threads about alcohol and MJ, that you have de-railed into your sɛҳuąƖ projections. Then, in a completely unrelated thread, I made a single post thanking my family for all they have done for me, you and Meg defecated on my thankfulness for pages upon pages.

In your world, your family deserves our appreciation and respect, but ours do not deserve your respect or manners.

You play victim to our "hate" (in reality, our pity) while inferring that in real life you'd relish a physical fight with us about matters you admitted you cannot know.

You (like Meg) have publicly demonstrated you are a pathetic, hysterical, mental, spiritual, and sɛҳuąƖ basket case.

epiphany · « **Reply #121 on:** March 20, 2022, 03:49:40 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 20, 2022, 04:20:29 AM

One can scroll up and read by Catholic bio if I explain something here that appears out of the thin air.

My family history dates way back, we have always been entrepreneurs, makers of work for others. In South America, it is not easy to find work, so one has to invent it to put food on the table. My grandfather was one of 8 children and about 1905 when he was about 16, some epidemic swept through our country I guess, and both his parents and 4 of his siblings died within the same year. My grandfather was left as the oldest survivor to raise his 3 younger siblings when he was 16. When he died at almost 101 years of age his 3 siblings were still alive, they were all like 95 to 98 and in good health. They must have been bullet proof. Pretty amazing. My grandfather was their father till he married them all off. In 1930 my grandfather was out of work because of the depression, and by God's grace, he found a job as a bookkeeper at a giant sugar mill company. He went to school at night and got his accounting degree. By the late 1940's my grandfather was the CEO of the company, with 5000 employees under his care. He was the highest paid executive in our country, at that time making $125,000 dollars. Adjusted for inflation that would be today from $2.5 to over $6 million dollars. My father did the same with his own company and had 2000 employees. In 1960, EVERYTHING, every penny was taken by the communists, and we came to USA with nothing, to start all over again. My grandfather was 70 and my dad was 40. They went straight to work and by 1970 we were living a comfortable life again, with a waterfront home on the bay and leisure time to think. I learned everything I know about success in everything from them.

What was the secret of their success despite losing everything so many times (my grandfather's family lost everything ones, before they made it back, then they died)? The secret was that they emulated the successful and learned from them. They sought out people who were successful and they never stopped at it, improving themselves every day of their lives. You learn something every day. One must always seek perfection and keep growing in their knowledge base for they could lose it all one day and have to do it all over again. Grow in knowledge in every aspect of life, money, health, and most of all the faith. Unfortunately, they did not give the faith much importance, as practically all Catholics do not give the faith much more than baptizing, marrying, and burying in the in Church.

For the faith, I had to do it myself and I did it the same way as I was taught for business and health, by emulating those that were a success at it. I could write many stories of the people I emulated because they were many, but I will just mention two:

The first was a lady in his late 80's. She was a lady, an Italian American Southern Bell (odd combination, no?) with the accent of a Southern pre-cινιℓ ωαr aristocrat plantation owner. She was a middle class lady, her husband worked as a mechanic in an airline, but he had died before I first met her. She was always talking about the great life she had as a child growing up with her other 13 siblings. I always liked to talk to older people to learn from them and I was very adept at getting them to talk for hours. It is easy to do when you are genuinely fascinated with everything they say. We'll from this lady, I learned what marriage was for. You see, my concept of marriage was that of my parents, that it is for life, and the idea of being with all the girls I was with for life didn't even enter my mind. The thought of marrying never entered my mind. Amazing as it seems, I learned what marriage was for, it was to raise a big happy Catholic family. Three years later my wife walked into the SSPX chapel I was attending and she had the same mind as I to have 12 children. We married when she was 25 and I was 47. One might ask how it was possible that a man 47 could convince a beautiful girl 25 to marry him, well the answer is that the man was young at heart, not set in his way, ready to learn something everyday, loved children, and by the grace of God, good genes and physical exercise didn't look or act 47.

The other lady that influenced me, was a mother of 12. Everybody said she was too strict, but I saw different. Her husband was the happy humorous lover of life, walking sunshine, while she was the teacher of the faith. I saw in her right away someone to emulate, and my wife and I became very close with that family. That so-called "too strict" lady's 12 children are all now either priests (the men) or have beautiful trad wives with many, and the girls all married successful professional men. All with many children and more on the way. That "too strict" lady is the good ground upon which the seed fell and multiplied one hundred fold. There was one grand example to follow and we were there as it unfolded learning how it is done.

Prideful much?

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #122 on:** March 20, 2022, 07:48:41 PM »

Pax ?

In bold I responded to your comments, does that help you to understand where I am coming from?

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Pax Vobis wrote:
1. The above phrases (in parenthesis) have not been argued by anyone on CI, specifically, but LT inserts them into the argument to gain "popular" support, much like the modern media.

(What you wrote here is total conjecture and extrapolating from that. But, I will answer you because you are an EENSer, so you might understand. Every time I wrote about recreational use, my focus was just in one place, the young people, but some adults here kept defending recreational use by referring to moderate use in the their home by themselves like alcohol is used by responsible adults. So I had to be more precise and be very clear and keep repeating "young girls" because every time I would forget to insert it, one of the dope defenders would talk about themselves doing it in private in the homes. It is exactly the same as debating with the BODers, the debate goes on for thread after thread after thread and years after years with them quoting St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Alphonsus Ligouri, till I and others came along and shined the light on the reality, that they actually are using those two saints, hiding behind them, when what they really believe is in the salvation of anyone in any religion that is "good" by their belief in a God that rewards, which is called "implicit faith". When I debated with them I had to keep remembering to be precise or else they would slip away like a greased pig. Internet conversations are not like real life, in real life it would not take days to get something out of someone because you are right in front of them. On the internet, just when you think you've made your point to everyone reading it and the people understand, then you leave for three days and everything you wrote is in the past as if you never wrote it, the instant someone that does not like what you said starts writing conjectures and extrapolating from those conjectures, and when you come back it is as if you wrote nothing. Just look at what was written after my bio, and read everything that has flowed from that. I wrote my Catholic story and the pesky two conjecturers and extrapolators, they picked out the age of my wife to go off to crucify LT. It is good that I was away, for they were free to spill their poison and we can see who is who, only two people. )

2. LT doesn't argue like a man, rationally, but repeatedly inserts ideas and "buzz words" which he knows will cause an emotional agreement with his cause. Another modern media tactic.

(conjectures and extrapolations. Not worthy of an EENSRer. Do I argue like you describe when it is about BOD? No. Then there must be something that you are misinterpreting in what I am saying. Maybe my explanation above will be your answer?)

3. LT refuses to acknowledge the logic of moral theologians on the issue and also is in capable of distinguishing between 'allowance' and 'encouragement'.

(Believing in BOD of every flavor, believing in sedevacates in all it's varieties, RR, Novus Ordo, believing it is OK for our children to marry a Jєω in the Church, ALL are not mortal sins, yet they are subjects that are nuanced and very dangerous to even discuss . What I have written all this time is that encouraging or being indifferent to MJ use among our children and most of all our daughters, is infinitely more dangerous than all of those other subjects put together. )

4. etc, etc. One could write a 10 page essay of the lack of logic and rationality in LT's posts. I trust him as much as I trust a novus ordo bishop. He has lost all integrity in my eyes. ( read all the above and "call me in the morning" )

Mark 79 · « **Reply #123 on:** March 20, 2022, 07:52:35 PM »

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #124 on:** March 20, 2022, 11:02:19 PM »

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In bold I responded to your comments, does that help you to understand where I am coming from?

No, I don't care anymore. God bless you.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #125 on:** March 21, 2022, 02:08:14 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 20, 2022, 11:02:19 PM

No, I don't care anymore. God bless you.

A debate about what one advises their young girls and boys about recreational use of MJ, and you do not care anymore? Meanwhile you have written reams on BOD, sede, and whatever, enough to have a score of +4629/-1448? It sure reads like you are indifferent to MJ use.

Anyone that goes through my history here on CI will see that I debate zero about Sede/R&R, that I really only write about 1) BOD, and to a lessor degree 2) about sins of the flesh, 3) and NWO/communism. I do not write about sede/R&R because I am indifferent to it. It is all speculation. It looks like you are similarly indifferent to MJ use, what one advises their young girls and boys about recreational use of MJ.

It is like I told Ladislaus:

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I think the problem may be that you are indifferent to MJ, while you have conviction and are adamantly opposed to salvation by implict faith & RR, two subject that you have written volumes on, really 10,000 times more than I have written on MJ for young girls in the last few days. Obviously, I must see something that you do not see.

This thread is about sins of the flesh "what one advises their young girls and boys about recreational use of MJ", but you are indifferent?

Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)

Nadir · « **Reply #126 on:** March 21, 2022, 02:46:49 AM »

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #127 on:** March 21, 2022, 02:51:02 AM »

Douay-Rheims Bible
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But, when I became a man, I put away the things of a child.

Mark 79 · « **Reply #128 on:** March 21, 2022, 03:18:09 AM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 18, 2022, 11:51:31 AM

Nothing to pity, when one knows nothing about the person. Basically, there is no way to know anything about anyone here if they do not say anything about themselves. I am proud…

Quote from: Mark 79 on March 18, 2022, 12:42:02 PM

Utterly clueless. There is indeed much to pity in a man who imagines he left behind his life before 40 while still projecting those decades upon others "there is no way to know anything about."

Glad you have a nice family. Glad you reverted to the Faith.

How clueless that you can be thankful for your own family, but have repeatedly defecated upon others' thankfulness and families. For pages upon pages in multiple threads you have expelled your innuendo like explosive diarrhea. That life before 40 was yours, not ours.

Your opposition to MJ is of trivial concern compared to your and Meg's constant contumacious projection of the interior forum of others about whom, in your own words, "there is no way to know anything about." http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com/2015/05/27/traditional-catholic-sin-against-the-holy-spirit/

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #129 on:** March 21, 2022, 03:28:32 AM »

From Tradman:

Recreational use of Marijuana

“1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
2. Weakens moral judgement
3. Promotes immorality
4. Fosters narcissism
5. Leads to moral pessimism
6. Is socially and morally divisive
7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
10. Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
15. Often leads to use of other drugs
16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
17. Promotes other crime
18. Often destroys relationships
19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
21. Retards emotions
22. Wastes opportunities for good
23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
27 Is often its own object of worship
28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
29. Often leads to other addictions
30. Inhibits holiness
31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic

This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture. If anyone disagrees, present your argument. Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls.”

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #130 on:** March 21, 2022, 08:24:07 AM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on March 21, 2022, 03:28:32 AM

From Tradman:

Recreational use of Marijuana

“1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
2. Weakens moral judgement
3. Promotes immorality
4. Fosters narcissism
5. Leads to moral pessimism
6. Is socially and morally divisive
7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
10. Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
15. Often leads to use of other drugs
16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
17. Promotes other crime
18. Often destroys relationships
19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
21. Retards emotions
22. Wastes opportunities for good
23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
27 Is often its own object of worship
28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
29. Often leads to other addictions
30. Inhibits holiness
31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic

This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture. If anyone disagrees, present your argument. Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls.”

This debate has panned out just like a debate on EENS & "Salvation of all by Implicit Faith" in that Mark79 has duped the indifferent by doing an end run around the 32 points above without answering any of them, which are all facts from the real world, that anyone can observe about recreational use of marijuana by young people. It is the same with EENS, they just do an end run around all the dogmas to convince today 99% of Catholics that nice people are somehow saved.

My advice is not just answer anything Mark79, Epiphany, Roscoe, and Digital Logos write, do not give them a platform to divert the focus of the debate which is recreational use of marijuana among young girls and boys which is precise and the 32 points above which have not been all addressed. The end runs are switching to medical use, which is not what we are discussing here, and saying that according to moral theology "marijuana use is neutral, that it depends of how it is used". Those are just end runs that do not answer the real issues with recreational MJ use among the young.

If there are no other MJ supporters of recreational use of marijuana among young girls and boys, then that will end the debate.

MMagdala · « **Reply #131 on:** March 21, 2022, 08:41:16 AM »

Quote from: epiphany on March 16, 2022, 11:58:26 AM

You may feel differently if you or a loved one ever get a cancer which is incurable by western means but very curable through the use of MJ.

That's medicinal use, not recreational use.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #132 on:** March 21, 2022, 08:49:37 AM »

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A debate about what one advises their young girls and boys about recreational use of MJ, and you do not care anymore?

I said I don't care anymore, in answer to your question about understanding you. I didn't say I didn't care about the topic. This is just a small example of your lack of reading comprehension. It makes such conversations impossible.

Further, you don't make any effort to understand where ANYONE ELSE is coming from. It's all about your views, your experience, your life, your family, etc, which is why you create 3-4 threads on the topic and keep repeating yourself ad nauseam. Others make good points/ask questions but you ignore them or don't understand what they say (and make no attempt to) and then just repeat (or in many cases re-re-re-re-repeat) your point, as if we don't get it.

WE GET YOUR POINTS (especially after the 5th time), WE JUST DISAGREE. Obviously the idea of someone disagreeing with you is so astounding that you have to create new threads to find other people's validation, in an attempt to stop the pain your ego is feeling. It's very similar to what Sean Johnson does all the time. And it's quite an interesting observation that as he has been quiet these last few months, you have stepped into the ego/control-freak vacuum and filled his spot quite nicely. I guess every site has to have 1 person like this. You used to not be this way and the change is regrettable.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #133 on:** March 21, 2022, 08:50:06 AM »

Quote from: MMagdala on March 21, 2022, 08:41:16 AM

That's medicinal use, not recreational use.

Yes, this is panning out identically to the EENS & Implicit faith debates. The difference here is that we are not fighting an uphill battle against 99% of Catholics like in the EENS/Implicit Faith debate, but it is the other way around.

You know that after I posted the quote below it occurred to me that I should have put sentimentalism.

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The end runs are switching to medical use and sentimentalism for the sick, which is not what we are discussing here, and saying that according to moral theology "marijuana use is neutral, that it depends of how it is used". Those are just end runs that do not answer the real issues with recreational MJ use among the young.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #134 on:** March 21, 2022, 08:53:33 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 21, 2022, 08:49:37 AM

WE GET YOUR POINTS (especially after the 5th time), WE JUST DISAGREE. Obviously the idea of someone disagreeing with you is so astounding that you have to create new threads to find other people's validation, in an attempt to stop the pain your ego is feeling. It's very similar to what Sean Johnson does all the time. And it's quite an interesting observation that as he has been quiet these last few months, you have stepped into the ego/control-freak vacuum and filled his spot quite nicely. I guess every site has to have 1 person like this. You used to not be this way and the change is regrettable.

Who is we? names? And what do you disagree with? Your posting is useless.

Author Topic: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana (Read 11790 times)

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