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Offline DigitalLogos

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Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
« Reply #105 on: March 18, 2022, 05:20:37 PM »
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  • This is the epitome of how a woman argues:

    1.  The above phrases (in parenthesis) have not been argued by anyone on CI, specifically, but LT inserts them into the argument to gain "popular" support, much like the modern media.
    2.  LT doesn't argue like a man, rationally, but repeatedly inserts ideas and "buzz words" which he knows will cause an emotional agreement with his cause.  Another modern media tactic.
    3.  LT refuses to acknowledge the logic of moral theologians on the issue and also is in capable of distinguishing between 'allowance' and 'encouragement'.
    4.  etc, etc.  One could write a 10 page essay of the lack of logic and rationality in LT's posts.  I trust him as much as I trust a novus ordo bishop.  He has lost all integrity in my eyes.
    It's apparent that his own personal experiences with worldliness before his conversion back to the Faith really damaged his view of these things. And then his zeal has blinded him to anything of careful nuance regarding the subject, as he himself admitted. It's one thing to impose a law on one's family for their protection, which is admirable; but another thing entirely to expect it from all other Catholics and then shame them for such.

    It kind of reminds me of what someone else mentioned earlier about the American view of alcohol as just a means to get drunk; which was my wife's precise reaction when I was attempting (and failing) the beer fast this Lent. When, as we know, there are varying degrees of acceptable alcohol usage.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #106 on: March 18, 2022, 05:45:07 PM »
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    « Reply #107 on: March 18, 2022, 05:46:44 PM »
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  • What better time than Lent to oppose those who arrogate to themselves the charism to read the interior forum of others?
    I've got enough of my own spiritual issues to oppose. 

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    « Reply #108 on: March 18, 2022, 05:55:50 PM »
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  • This is the epitome of how a woman argues:
    I object to this.
    I have met more logical trad women than trad men of late.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #109 on: March 18, 2022, 08:09:07 PM »
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  • Generalization.  


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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #110 on: March 19, 2022, 11:48:18 AM »
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    LT wrote: I am really surprised that there are (even three) people on CI that are defending (recreational) use of MJ (for young people), (even their daughters).
    Pav Vobis responded: This is the epitome of how a woman argues:

    1.  The above phrases (in parenthesis) have not been argued by anyone on CI, specifically, but LT inserts them into the argument to gain "popular" support, much like the modern media.

    (What you wrote here is total conjecture and extrapolating from that. But, I will answer you because you are an EENSer, so you might understand. Every time I wrote about recreational use, my focus was just in one place, the young people, but the adults here, kept defending recreational use by referring to moderate use in the their home by themselves like alcohol is used by responsible adults. So I had to be more precise and be very clear and keep repeating young girls because every time I would forget to insert it,  one of the dope defenders would talk about themselves doing it in private in the homes. It is exactly the same as debating with the BODers, the debate goes on for thread after thread after thread and years after years with them quoting St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Alphonsus Ligouri, till I and others came along and shined the light on the reality, that they actually are using those two saints, hiding behind them, when what they really believe is in the salvation of anyone in any religion that is "good" by their belief in a God that rewards, which is called "implicit faith". When I debated with them I had to keep remembering to be precise or else they would slip away like a greased pig. Internet conversations are not like real life, in real life it would not take days to get something out of someone because you are right in front of them. On the internet, just when you think you've made your point to everyone reading it and the people understand, then you leave for three days and everything you wrote is in the past as if you never wrote it, the instant someone that does not like what you said starts writing conjectures and extrapolating from those conjectures, and when you come back it is as if you wrote nothing. Just look at what was written after my bio, and read everything that has flowed from that. I wrote my Catholic story and the pesky two conjecturers and extrapolators, they picked out the age of my wife to go off to crucify LT.  It is  good that I was away, for they were free to spill their poison and we can see who is who, only two people. To his credit Digital Logos proved himself to be honorable, and was like Reuben with Joseph when his brothers were trying to kill Joseph, he said wait a minute what are you talking about? And he saved Joseph's life.) 

    2.  LT doesn't argue like a man, rationally, but repeatedly inserts ideas and "buzz words" which he knows will cause an emotional agreement with his cause.  Another modern media tactic.

    (conjectures and extrapolations. Not worthy of an EENSRer. Do I argue like you describe when it is about BOD? No. Then there must be something that you are misinterpreting in what I am saying. Maybe my explanation above will be your answer?)

    3.  LT refuses to acknowledge the logic of moral theologians on the issue and also is in capable of distinguishing between 'allowance' and 'encouragement'.

     (Believing in BOD of every flavor, believing in sedevacates in all it's varieties, RR, Novus Ordo, believing it is OK for our children to marry a Jєω in the Church, ALL are not mortal sins, yet they are subjects that are nuanced and very dangerous to even discuss . What I have written all this time is that encouraging or being indifferent to MJ use among our children and most of all our daughters, is infinitely more dangerous than all of those other subjects put together. )

    4.  etc, etc.  One could write a 10 page essay of the lack of logic and rationality in LT's posts.  I trust him as much as I trust a novus ordo bishop.  He has lost all integrity in my eyes. ( read all the above and "call me in the morning" )

    My response in bold.

    God Bless.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #111 on: March 19, 2022, 12:16:28 PM »
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  • It's apparent that his own personal experiences with worldliness before his conversion back to the Faith really damaged his view of these things. And then his zeal has blinded him to anything of careful nuance regarding the subject, as he himself admitted. It's one thing to impose a law on one's family for their protection, which is admirable; but another thing entirely to expect it from all other Catholics and then shame them for such.

    It kind of reminds me of what someone else mentioned earlier about the American view of alcohol as just a means to get drunk; which was my wife's precise reaction when I was attempting (and failing) the beer fast this Lent. When, as we know, there are varying degrees of acceptable alcohol usage.

    THIS^^^

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #112 on: March 19, 2022, 12:31:51 PM »
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  • The Catholic Church is in crisis for a reason.  We all have been guilty of materialism and pleasure seeking. 

    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #113 on: March 19, 2022, 12:32:21 PM »
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  • It's apparent that his own personal experiences with worldliness before his conversion back to the Faith really damaged his view of these things. And then his zeal has blinded him to anything of careful nuance regarding the subject, as he himself admitted. It's one thing to impose a law on one's family for their protection, which is admirable; but another thing entirely to expect it from all other Catholics and then shame them for such.

    It kind of reminds me of what someone else mentioned earlier about the American view of alcohol as just a means to get drunk; which was my wife's precise reaction when I was attempting (and failing) the beer fast this Lent. When, as we know, there are varying degrees of acceptable alcohol usage.


    THIS^^^
    The quote you agreed with is all conjecture and interpolations from that, so your response is the same since you agree with it. 

    Read what I wrote to Pax Vobis, both of you are in the same boat. I think the problem may be that you are indifferent to MJ, while you have conviction and are adamantly opposed to salvation by implictfaith &  RR, two subject that you have written volumes on, really 10,000 times more than I have written on MJ for young girls in the last few days. Obviously, I must see something that you do not see, but maybe you will understand once you read my response to Pax Vobis.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #114 on: March 19, 2022, 01:50:15 PM »
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  • …all conjecture and interpolations…

    Oh, the clueless irony…

    …from the team that knows the "true intent," "experiences" the confessional advice of priests, and "experiences" the confessed sins and family life of others.


    :facepalm:

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #115 on: March 19, 2022, 02:17:38 PM »
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  • Johnnie and His Little White Rabbit

    The father of the house came home and called all his children together. He then told them if they gathered up all of their toys, every single last one of them, and gave them away to the poor, that he would then buy them new toys, much more toys, and better toys. However, they had to give away every single toy or else they would not get anything.

    The next day the father came home and found a big pile of toys stacked in the living room. He asked the children; is that all the toys, every single last one of them? All the children answered yes, but Johnnie. Johnnie was holding his hands behind his back. His father asked him, Johnnie, did you put all your toys in the pile? Johnnie answered yes, father. The father asked him, Johnnie, what do you have behind your back, show me your hands. Then Johnnie showed his little white stuffed rabbit, his favorite companion. His father said, Johnnie, remember, in order to get the new toys, much more toys than you have now, better toys, you have to give everything away, everything Johnnie. Johnnie answered back, no Daddy, not my little white rabbit, no, I can’t give him away".







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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #116 on: March 19, 2022, 03:46:31 PM »
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  • Johnnie and His Little White Rabbit

    The father of the house came home and called all his children together. He then told them if they gathered up all of their toys, every single last one of them, and gave them away to the poor, that he would then buy them new toys, much more toys, and better toys. However, they had to give away every single toy or else they would not get anything.

    The next day the father came home and found a big pile of toys stacked in the living room. He asked the children; is that all the toys, every single last one of them? All the children answered yes, but Johnnie. Johnnie was holding his hands behind his back. His father asked him, Johnnie, did you put all your toys in the pile? Johnnie answered yes, father. The father asked him, Johnnie, what do you have behind your back, show me your hands. Then Johnnie showed his little white stuffed rabbit, his favorite companion. His father said, Johnnie, remember, in order to get the new toys, much more toys than you have now, better toys, you have to give everything away, everything Johnnie. Johnnie answered back, no Daddy, not my little white rabbit, no, I can’t give him away".
    Trying the MJ, are you?

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #117 on: March 19, 2022, 03:58:28 PM »
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #118 on: March 20, 2022, 04:14:35 AM »
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    were you a serial Peeping Tom?
     
     Of course, there is another possibility…
    You lied that you have "experience," simply did the Meg thing, presumed you know the interior forum and project acts about which you could only perversely know or imagine, and are just what we know you to be—a rabid blowhard perverted bullsh*tter.
     
     Your own statement reveals that you are a
    seriously disordered person—sɛҳuąƖly and spiritually—who foams and perversely ruminates about and projects the sɛҳuąƖ sins of others. It seems that your stated sɛҳuąƖ past is reflected in your present disorder.
     
    Totally disgusting.


    [@LT]


    You project your "leg spreader" life before 40 on others as Meg projects her home life on others.
    You rage about the imagined sɛҳuąƖ proclivities of others while boasting of your "functionality" and younger wife.
    You and Meg pretend you can read the interior forum of others even though you stated you can "know nothing about them."
    You are thankful for your family, but you and Meg defecated on the thankfulness of others for their families.
    You are seriously disordered spiritually and sɛҳuąƖly.
    The writer of the above, Mark79, is a perfect example of what everyone should avoid if they want to grow in the faith and be successful in life. He is filled with so much hate of himself and envy of others that he only sees the fly in the dining room filled with sumptuous food. People like that are the types that make it almost impossible for a black man to get out of their poverty, for anyone that tries to improve themselves will be denigrated and ostracized by these envious types and called uncle toms and such. This is what the Clarence Kelly's, Thomas Sowells, and Alan Keyes had to overcome. Only a tremendous drive and incredible strong man can overcome that envy crowd and escape that ghetto. The envious drag down the average man and pulverize him to dust. They are a walking black cloud, they take it with them everywhere they go.

    I gave my Catholic bio of which like I said, I am proud of, and the above is one response I get and then the envious black clouds start in on the age of my wife, who is 22 years younger than me. These black cloud types are just about finding and complaining about the fly in everything, they would find a fly in a gold mine.

    The best thing to do with these types is to avoid them like the plague and do not give them any forum, do not respond to them at all. That is what I have been doing lately once a figured out what they are like. The posting above was posted four times by Mark79 because I do not respond to it.

    But let's leave that ghetto behind for there is nothing one can say or do for them, they are what they are.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #119 on: March 20, 2022, 04:20:29 AM »
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  • One can scroll up and read by Catholic bio if I explain something here that appears out of the thin air.

    My family history dates way back, we have always been entrepreneurs, makers of work for others. In South America, it is not easy to find work, so one has to invent it to put food on the table. My grandfather was one of 8 children and about 1905 when he was about 16, some epidemic swept through our country I guess, and both his parents and 4 of his siblings died within the same year. My grandfather was left as the oldest survivor to raise his 3 younger siblings when he was 16. When he died at almost 101 years of age his 3 siblings were still alive, they were all like 95 to 98 and in good health. They must have been bullet proof. Pretty amazing. My grandfather was their father till he married them all off. In 1930 my grandfather was out of work because of the depression, and by God's grace, he found a job as a bookkeeper at a giant sugar mill company. He went to school at night and got his accounting degree. By the late 1940's my grandfather was the CEO of the company, with 5000 employees under his care. He was the highest paid executive in our country, at that time making $125,000 dollars. Adjusted for inflation that would be today from $2.5 to over $6 million dollars.  My father did the same with his own company and had 2000 employees. In 1960, EVERYTHING, every penny was taken by the communists, and we came to USA with nothing, to start all over again. My grandfather was 70 and my dad was 40. They went  straight to work and by 1970 we were living a comfortable life again, with a waterfront home on the bay and leisure time to think. I learned everything I know about success in everything from them.

    What was the secret of their success despite losing everything so many times (my grandfather's family lost everything ones, before they made it back, then they died)? The secret was that they emulated the successful and learned from them. They sought out people who were successful and they never stopped at it, improving themselves every day of their lives. You learn something every day. One must always seek perfection and keep growing in their knowledge base for they could lose it all one day and have to do it all over again. Grow in knowledge in every aspect of life, money, health, and most of all the faith. Unfortunately, they did not give the faith much importance, as practically all Catholics do not give the faith much more than baptizing, marrying, and burying in the  in Church.

    For the faith, I had to do it myself and I did it the same way as I was taught for business and health, by emulating those that were a success at it. I could write many stories of the people I emulated because they were many, but I will just mention two:

    The first was a lady in his late 80's. She was a lady, an Italian American Southern Bell (odd combination, no?) with the accent of a Southern pre-cινιℓ ωαr aristocrat plantation owner. She was  a middle class lady, her husband worked as a mechanic in an airline, but he had died before I first met her. She was always talking about  the great life she had as a child growing up with her other 13 siblings. I always liked to talk to older people to learn from them and I was very adept at getting them to talk for hours. It is easy to do when you are genuinely fascinated with everything they say. We'll from this lady, I learned what marriage was for. You see, my concept of marriage was that of my parents, that it is for life, and the idea of being with all the girls I was with for life didn't even enter my mind. The thought of marrying never entered my mind. Amazing as it seems, I learned what marriage was for, it was to raise a big happy Catholic family. Three years later my  wife walked into the SSPX chapel I was attending and she had the same mind as I to have 12 children. We married when she was 25 and I was 47. One might ask how it was possible that a man 47 could convince a beautiful girl 25 to marry him, well the answer is that the man was young at heart, not set in his way, ready to learn something everyday, loved children, and by the grace of God,  good genes and physical exercise  didn't look or act 47.

    The other lady that influenced me, was a mother of 12. Everybody said she was too strict, but I saw different. Her husband was the happy humorous lover of life, walking sunshine, while she was the teacher of the faith. I saw in her right away someone to emulate, and my wife and I became very close with that family. That so-called "too strict" lady's 12 children are all now either priests (the men) or have beautiful trad wives with many, and the girls all married successful professional men.  All with many children and more on the way. That "too strict" lady is the good ground upon which the seed fell and multiplied one hundred fold. There was one grand example to follow and we were there as it unfolded learning how it is done.