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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2022, 08:37:44 AM »
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    sins of the flesh
    LT, you're obsessed man.  Not everything in life flows towards this vice.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #31 on: March 17, 2022, 08:48:23 AM »
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  • LT, you're obsessed man.  Not everything in life flows towards this vice.
    I quoted St. Remigius saying otherwise than what you say above, he says it is THE sin that takes almost all adults. It's from the 5th century. I could post many more such quotes. Were all the saints that taught about the sin that takes the most adults also obsessed? If it disturbs you just ignore it.

    Thank you for bumping the thread and placing me in such distinguished company of "obsessed" saints.

    God Bless


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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #32 on: March 17, 2022, 09:18:14 AM »
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  • There, that's better.

    Since I started them both, I'll answer.

    The Answer is, because : Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)

    What could be more important that saving the souls of our daughters and sons, from the sin that takes almost all adults?

    The real question to ask, is why are there not more threads about the sin that takes practically everybody, while there are so many about worldly events, like moon landings, the Jєωs, 20 varieties of sedevacantes, Biden, Trump, Putin how many angels fit on a pinhead........

    Well said.

    Even trads are subject to fallen human nature, and are prone to sins of the flesh, but they seem to believe that because they are trads and attend the TLM, that this will make them holy, and not subject to the laws and justice of Our Lord. Maybe that's why they are so fearful when it comes to the mentioning of sin. Sin is something that others are prone to, but trads have somehow escaped the problem of sin, and can then focus on worldly things instead, and then deride others for mentioning personal sin because it's somehow not really relevant for trads.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #33 on: March 17, 2022, 09:28:53 AM »
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  • The blind sanctimony from you two is unbearable sometimes.

    "The Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also is this publican."
    [Luke 18:11]
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #34 on: March 17, 2022, 09:30:20 AM »
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  • The blind sanctimony from you two is unbearable sometimes.

    "The Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also is this publican."
    [Luke 18:11]

    Yes, I can well imagine that it is unbearable. That's the point really, isn't it? That trads believe themselves to be above the law? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #35 on: March 17, 2022, 09:36:38 AM »
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  • From you yesterday:
    History is repeating itself. 

    Recreational pot use means lazy and immaturity.  If you love God and have peace you don’t need pot, cigarettes, alcohol, food and other addictions.  Children especially teenagers watch their parents.  If you are smoking pot, these children can smell it.  They aren’t dumb. They will end up doing pot or worse.  Maybe these children who grew up in traditional Catholic homes leave the Church because they are tired of the hypocrisy.

    Smoking pot is a sign that one and doesn’t  work enough or pray enough to enjoy true recreation.  They have too much time on their hands. 

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    Just stop.  

    Regarding the first bold statement above:
    Our Lord turned water into wine, not the other way 'round!

    Regarding the last bold statement:
    One can say the same thing about alcohol, with more conviction and proof.

    MJ has fewer side effects than alcohol, is not nearly as addictive as alcohol, and has many medicinal properties.

    I encourage you to do your research, both biblically and scientifically, before you try to speak with conviction.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #36 on: March 17, 2022, 09:38:53 AM »
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  • Pot costs money to buy or even grow. Money for pot could be Money to feed your family or for fuel to attend Mass. 
    Alcohol costs MORE money and effort to produce than MJ.  MJ is only expensive because it is, generally, illegal.  if it were legal it would be reasonably inexpensive, as alcohol.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #37 on: March 17, 2022, 09:45:54 AM »
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  • This thread is about recreational use of marijuana which has nothing to do with medical use. Bringing up the medical use is just an excuse to justify recreational use. We are not discussing medical use, that is another issue that is contested, same as medical barbiturates, like ritalin and such, it is opening up another can of worms, like your saying it cures cancer. Stick to the subject, recreational use.
    They are tied together, LT.

    1. In order to make MJ not prosecutable and affordable for everyone medicinally, it must be legalized.

    2. MJ should be used as ivermectin, proactively.

    3. MJ has fewer side effects than alcohol and you can't OD on it.  Why would it not be legal?


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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #38 on: March 17, 2022, 09:49:49 AM »
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  • There, that's better.

    Since I started them both, I'll answer.

    The Answer is, because : Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)

    What could be more important that saving the souls of our daughters and sons, from the sin that takes almost all adults?

    The real question to ask, is why are there not more threads about the sin that takes practically everybody, while there are so many about worldly events, like moon landings, the Jєωs, 20 varieties of sedevacantes, Biden, Trump, Putin how many angels fit on a pinhead........
    MJ use is not a sin in and of itself anymore than alcohol is.

    And if someone uses MJ before committing a sin of the flesh, MJ still isn't the culprit.  The culprit is the sin of the flesh itself.

    What you say is akin to a murderer saying the killing was the fault of the gun.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #39 on: March 17, 2022, 09:51:19 AM »
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  • I quoted St. Remigius saying otherwise than what you say above, he says it is THE sin that takes almost all adults. It's from the 5th century. I could post many more such quotes. Were all the saints that taught about the sin that takes the most adults also obsessed? If it disturbs you just ignore it.

    Thank you for bumping the thread and placing me in such distinguished company of "obsessed" saints.

    God Bless
    That does not mean that everything in life flows towards this vice.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #40 on: March 17, 2022, 09:51:29 AM »
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  • Alcohol costs MORE money and effort to produce than MJ.  MJ is only expensive because it is, generally, illegal.  if it were legal it would be reasonably inexpensive, as alcohol.

    Well, it depends on what state one lives in, and if the state has legalized pot. In the state that I live in (Washington state) pot is legalized, but it is highly regulated, and very expensive. I don't know about street prices for pot. Based on what my son has told me about his friends in college who were pot smokers, they spent between $500.00 and $600.00 a month on pot. That's quite a bit more expensive than alcohol. Cheap booze is always available. But pot isn't cheap, not like it was in the '70's when I was a teen, and I had pothead friends.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #41 on: March 17, 2022, 09:54:50 AM »
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    Alcohol costs MORE money and effort to produce than MJ.
    Alcohol is very simple and cheap to make.  Prices are driven up by taxes, regulations and profit concerns.  Agree with your larger point, that both MJ and alcohol would be very cheap if the govt got out of the way.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #42 on: March 17, 2022, 10:07:55 AM »
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  • Yes, I can well imagine that it is unbearable. That's the point really, isn't it? That trads believe themselves to be above the law?
    Those of us who have researched MJ and know what we are talking about, advocate CHANGING THE LAW, not being above it.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #43 on: March 17, 2022, 10:10:04 AM »
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  • Well, it depends on what state one lives in, and if the state has legalized pot. In the state that I live in (Washington state) pot is legalized, but it is highly regulated, and very expensive. I don't know about street prices for pot. Based on what my son has told me about his friends in college who were pot smokers, they spent between $500.00 and $600.00 a month on pot. That's quite a bit more expensive than alcohol. Cheap booze is always available. But pot isn't cheap, not like it was in the '70's when I was a teen, and I had pothead friends.
    "Highly regulated" is not legal as alcohol.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #44 on: March 17, 2022, 10:15:05 AM »
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  • Alcohol is very simple and cheap to make.  Prices are driven up by taxes, regulations and profit concerns.  Agree with your larger point, that both MJ and alcohol would be very cheap if the govt got out of the way.
    Thank you for the clarification. Your point is exactly what i meant..  Sometimes my mind works faster than my fingers.