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Offline Last Tradhican

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Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
« on: March 15, 2022, 10:44:11 AM »
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    • Does anyone have an example of a real Catholic with children that smokes MJ recreationally and has had no problems with his children living with it?
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    Offline Bonaventure

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #1 on: March 15, 2022, 10:55:19 AM »
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    • How many threads on this do you have to start?

    You need help.
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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #2 on: March 15, 2022, 11:19:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Bonaventure on March 15, 2022, 10:55:19 AM
    How many threads on this do you have to start?

    You need help.
    No thanks, I don't need help posting. I doubt this thread will go anywhere because I do not believe such a real Catholic exists, but I thought I'd put up a big billboard here to see if I am wrong.
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #3 on: March 15, 2022, 11:40:00 AM »
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    • I can't answer your question because i'm not a busybody who goes around talking to grown men and gathering info about their personal life.
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #4 on: March 15, 2022, 11:51:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 15, 2022, 10:44:11 AM
    Does anyone have an example of a real Catholic with children that smokes MJ recreationally and has had no problems with his children living with it?
    Yep, sure do.

    LT, you need more time "in the back 40".
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #5 on: March 15, 2022, 12:54:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on March 15, 2022, 11:51:49 AM
    Yep, sure do.

    LT, you need more time "in the back 40".

    Well, that's one sort-of example of a Catholic family who smokes MJ recreationally and has no problems with his or her children living with it. I say sort-of because no details are provided. And if it's not a bad thing for a Catholic to smoke MJ recreationally in front of one's children, then why not provide details?

    Any more examples out there?

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #6 on: March 15, 2022, 09:53:57 PM »
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #7 on: March 15, 2022, 10:22:22 PM »
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    • Your thread title is a deliberate straw man against those who argue that it's morally permissible under certain circuмstances (as per Catholic moral theologians).  You've never once address the principles but continue to emote and bluster ... and constantly imply that those who disagree with you are inferior degenerates.

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #8 on: March 16, 2022, 12:38:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 15, 2022, 11:40:00 AM
    I can't answer your question because i'm not a busybody who goes around talking to grown men and gathering info about their personal life.

    If there weren't traditional Catholics here in support of recreational pot smoking, then this thread would likely not have been started. 

    Some of the traditional Catholics here find it offensive that some of us do not agree that recreational pot-smoking is a good thing, and not a problem at all.

    We're not allowed to have an old-fashioned view of the subject, and we need to "get with the times" and be cool with pot smoking, whatever the reason. 

    Some of us aren't hippie-trads, and never will be. I guess the '60's and '70's are here again, and alive and well.  

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #9 on: March 16, 2022, 01:10:37 AM »
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #10 on: March 16, 2022, 04:33:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2022, 10:22:22 PM
    Your thread title is a deliberate straw man against those who argue that it's morally permissible under certain circuмstances (as per Catholic moral theologians).  You've never once address the principles but continue to emote and bluster ...
    You say that because your personality is different than mine, you can't understand how anyone would question your final arbiter of everything in the world, whether something is a sin or not, your "principles", and Jone is your dogmatic docuмent. Your system does not work in the real world because everything is not judged by whether it is a sin or not, really almost nothing we do every day is judged by whether it is a sin or not. Your system will not work with young people, the only ones I am concerned with here. With your "system", when you leave your book room and go out into the real world, you will be like a deer in front of headlights. In the real world your "system" is pretty much useless.

    MJ use in young girls is an indicator that they are having sɛҳuąƖ relations or will soon. Girls can easily have sɛҳuąƖ relations just by picking out the man they are attracted to and saying lets go. If one is a parent they should treat MJ use in their daughters as a rattlesnake in the home!

    MJ use in boys means is only different in that they just can't go out to any girl they are attracted to and say Ok let's do it. They will self abuse themselves. In boys the biggest problem is that they lose their drive for improving themselves, reaching their God given potential. They will self abuse themselves

    Those are just two effects of MJ for recreational use to show that in the real world, sin is not the final arbiter of everything. I made a list before of other examples where sin is not the final arbiter, see below, but people of your personality type likely will not understand, because you live in a room, and not the real world (no offense intended, it's the only way I can understand your mindset.):

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    Like I said, we are from two different worlds, different places, having lived totally different lives.

    It is not a sin to allow one's daughter to go out on a "date" with a stranger that the parents have never seen.
    It is not a sin for your children to go with their friends on Summer break to Florida.
    It is not a sin for a husband to go help the neighbors 20 year old daughter whenever she calls
    It is not a sin to have one's daughter clean homes of men.
    It is not a sin to leave your daughter alone to play with boys
    It is not a sin for one's daughter to smoke marijuana at a "party" with "friends" the parents do not even know.
    It is not a sin to leave one's door or garage open at night
    It is not a sin to swim in black water that is home to Gators, Snapping Turtles and venomous snakes.
    It is not a sin to work on electrical appliances with power connected.

    All of these examples are dangerous occasions of sin or physical harm. Whether something is a sin or not isn't the sole determinant of whether it is wise to do. Nature never forgives, we have a fallen nature.





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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #11 on: March 16, 2022, 05:40:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 15, 2022, 11:19:42 AM
    I doubt this thread will go anywhere because I do not believe such a real Catholic exists, but I thought I'd put up a big billboard here to see if I am wrong.
    Not one has come forward to answer the question, where are all the defenders of recreational MJ smoking? It is just as I thought, whomever are smoking recreational (like 3 people at most) are so ashamed of what they do that they will not come out or they have no family. 

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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #12 on: March 16, 2022, 06:04:45 AM »
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    • History is repeating itself.   

    Recreational pot use means lazy and immaturity.  If you love God and have peace you don’t need pot, cigarettes, alcohol, food and other addictions.  Children especially teenagers watch their parents.  If you are smoking pot, these children can smell it.  They aren’t dumb. They will end up doing pot or worse.  Maybe these children who grew up in traditional Catholic homes leave the Church because they are tired of the hypocrisy. 

    Smoking pot is a sign that one and doesn’t  work enough or pray enough to enjoy true recreation.  They have too much time on their hands.  








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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #13 on: March 16, 2022, 06:26:39 AM »
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    • :facepalm:  Y’all continue to miss the point.  Arguing that something is allowed in certain circuмstances is not the same as advocating for its use.  I’m sorry you don’t have the IQ to see the difference.  
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    Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
    « Reply #14 on: March 16, 2022, 06:39:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2022, 08:38:10 PM

    In my experience very few if any SSPX priests (that's where I go) can guide young people in matters of MJ, alcohol, self-abuse, pornography and pre-marital relations, because they have no personal experience whatsoever. That is why I see the young people leave and go into the world as soon as they are able. That is what happened in the 1960's when 80% of Americans went to mass and the Novus Ordo did not exist. The priest didn't have a clue how to deal with it. I see women counselors who never had any children, giving lectures about how to raise children, and college professors who have never had to use their theories in the real world, teaching students . They are only good for teaching those that know little, like children. "In the country of blind men, the one eyed man is a king".

    If you have not smoked pot you can't know anything but what you read. If you have friends who smoke pot, that is one way to learn about the effects by seeing them and how they live. Do you have any experience with relatives and friends who smoke pot?
    You made this very revealing statement.

    You claimed that your "experience" (your exact word) allowed you to know the advice of multiple priests (you used the plural) and were in a position to know the results of that advice regarding five concerns. So, unless 1 penitent had sins related to all five topics, you are claiming you have knowledge of the sins of multiple penitents before and after the advice of multiple priests.

    You cannot know the advice of multiple priests unless you were told by the priests and penitents or listened at the confessional. Which is it? Did multiple priests break the seal of the confessional? Or did you listen to the confessions of others? Or did multiple people decide that they also needed to confess their sins to you? Which is it?

    You cannot know the outcome of that advice unless you can compare the sins before and after the advice. To make that comparison you must have knowledge of the sɛҳuąƖ activities of multiple people. How did you get that knowledge?  Did all those penitents give you a tally of their porn use, masturbation, and fornication?  Were you doing occult paranormal "remote viewing"? Or were you a serial Peeping Tom?

    Of course, there is another possibility… You lied that you have "experience," simply did the Meg thing, presumed you know the interior forum and project acts about which you could only perversely know or imagine, and are just what we know you to be—a rabid blowhard perverted bullsh*tter.

    Your own statement reveals that you are a seriously disordered person—sɛҳuąƖly and spiritually—who foams and perversely ruminates about and projects the sɛҳuąƖ sins of others. It seems that your stated sɛҳuąƖ past is reflected in your present disorder.

    Totally disgusting.


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