Author Topic: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana (Read 11822 times)

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #75 on:** March 17, 2022, 08:00:30 PM »

Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 17, 2022, 07:51:05 PM

Clearly I was wrong in saying "we" are likeminded to include yourself, as it's apparent you have a particular idea of what can and cannot be condoned by Catholics within your own interpretation of Moral Theology. As I recall, you admitted that you utilize a reactionary assessment of moral situations, rather than one of moderation.

Yet, it is likeminded with other Catholics in the sense that we are all aware of the thorns posed by the world and the flesh. So emphasizing this point ad nauseum does nothing but annoy people as vain sanctimony.

No, you are speaking for yourself, that's all. You obviously like dope and do not like what I am writing. It does not hide the fact of my point. Parents should treat it as a rattlesnake in the house and that there is a serious problem that could take away their daughters and boys.

Nothing more important to discuss than sins of the flesh, the sin that takes the most adults, more important than all the subjects discussed "ad-nauseum" on CI.

Marion · « **Reply #76 on:** March 17, 2022, 08:11:43 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 15, 2022, 10:44:11 AM

Does anyone have an example of a real Catholic with children that smokes MJ recreationally and has had no problems with his children living with it?

Cannabis is a useful medicinal (and therefore "recreational") plant like many others. And it's half-witted to demonize it, just because some people abuse it.

If Cannabis wasn't forbidden by governments, nobody would set dogs against consumers. Same thing today with tobacco consumers. Tobacco is a useful medicinal plant, too.

On the other hand, substantial amounts of the population, including children, are fed the vile poisons of big pharma.

P.S.: If my children used oversized fonts and excessive emphasis, I'd have problems with them. I propose 69 lashes for committing such a crime.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #77 on:** March 17, 2022, 08:17:13 PM »

Quote from: Marion on March 17, 2022, 08:11:43 PM

Cannabis is a useful medicinal (and therefore "recreational") ...

Yeah, right, medicinal is recreational, and black is white, and up is down.

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Not a one person has come forward to say that they have told their children what they are teaching others here, that smoking MJ recreationally "in moderation" with their teenage friends or at home with their siblings around is not a sin. It seems that they are ashamed of admitting it, or hopefully they are just blowing hot air and would not say that to their children.

Marion · « **Reply #78 on:** March 17, 2022, 08:28:37 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 17, 2022, 08:17:13 PM

Yeah, right, medicinal is recreational, and black is white, and up is down.

Yes, I see little to no difference between medicinal and recreational plants. You seem to associate "medicinal" not with plants but with "industrial" products/drugs.

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 17, 2022, 08:17:13 PM

Not a one person has come forward to say that they have told their children what they are teaching others here, that smoking MJ recreationally "in moderation" with their teenage friends or at home with their siblings around is not a sin. It seems that they are ashamed of admitting it, or hopefully they are just blowing hot air and would not say that to their children.

What's your problem? Children have to obey their parents, and they don't have to obey strangers named "LastTradhican" or "Marion".

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #79 on:** March 17, 2022, 08:42:45 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 17, 2022, 08:00:30 PM

No, you are speaking for yourself, that's all. You obviously like dope and do not like what I am writing. It does not hide the fact of my point. Parents should treat it as a rattlesnake in the house and that there is a serious problem that could take away their daughters and boys.

Great, now you're making an assumption on my interior forum which again proves my point on your hidden pride.

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Nothing more important to discuss than sins of the flesh, the sin that takes the most adults, more important than all the subjects discussed "ad-nauseum" on CI.

Right. But when it is the only thing you talk about, it isn't our problem, it's yours.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #80 on:** March 17, 2022, 08:51:16 PM »

A bigger problem children have today is obesity and food addiction. Children have become gluttonous because of incompetent parents. The parents enable. They become addicted to process junk food and candy full of sugar and sodium. Then the addiction turns to marijuana and worse.

epiphany · « **Reply #81 on:** March 18, 2022, 12:20:29 AM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 17, 2022, 03:09:41 PM

Post where I said "it is inherently evil and a sin to use". Never said any such thing. But while I am at it, thanks for the opening:

To be blunt and short I've been saying all along that MJ for recreational use is a leg spreader for young girls. That if anyone's daughters are smoking MJ as recreation, it is a certain indicator that they are having sɛҳuąƖ relations with men or soon will be.

No more so than alcohol.

epiphany · « **Reply #82 on:** March 18, 2022, 12:25:20 AM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 17, 2022, 06:39:27 PM

Not a one person has come forward to say that they have told their children what they are teaching others here, that smoking MJ recreationally "in moderation" with their teenage friends or at home with their siblings around is not a sin. It seems that they are ashamed of saying it, or hopefully they are just blowing hot air and would not say that to their children.

I have told my children that.

epiphany · « **Reply #83 on:** March 18, 2022, 12:26:34 AM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 17, 2022, 06:56:49 PM

Catholic moral theology has nothing to do with the problem, the problem (THE POINT) is that recreational use of MJ is a leg spreader for girls, a certain indicator that they are promiscuous. You can stick your head in the ground but I lived it. All the girls that smoked MJ "partied". There is no projecting (whatever that means to you), it is a fact. If you choose to not believe it that is your problem. I do not write just for you, I write for all the parents that don't know what I know. Ladislaus has complained that I am too detailed about my past and he is right, so I am refraining from saying more. My father knew nothing about these things that started in the in the 1960's with sex and drugs, I'm sure there are parents out there that are the same. THAT is why I write and shout from the roof tops.

If you really want to talk about THE POINT, stick to arguing about it, I posted it near the beginning in a polite manner, it could not be any clearer:

No more sonthan alcohol, and you can't OD on the stuff.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #84 on:** March 18, 2022, 06:30:51 AM »

Quote from: epiphany on March 18, 2022, 12:26:34 AM

No more than alcohol, and you can't OD on the stuff.

That is a fallacy, really false propaganda. I answered that objection a few times already:

Comment by a defender of recreational use of MJ by young girls - others have shown that morally-speaking you have just as much of a risk of MJ abuse amongst some dispositions as you would alcohol or tobacco

Answer by Last Tradhican - Moral Theology has nothing to do with MY POINT, and they have not shown that young girls promiscuity and "partying" reaction to use of MJ is the same as alcohol or tobacco. In my long personal experience (from 14 to 40 years old), alcohol (and of course tobacco) did not result in the same promiscuity and "partying" reaction in young girls as MJ, not even close. Neither did Cocaine. Quaaludes did though.

epiphany · « **Reply #85 on:** March 18, 2022, 06:42:38 AM »

Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 17, 2022, 08:42:45 PM

Great, now you're making an assumption on my interior forum which again proves my point on your hidden pride.
Right. But when it is the only thing you talk about, it isn't our problem, it's yours.

Assumptions, and extrapolations happen a LOT on cathinfo.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #86 on:** March 18, 2022, 06:44:10 AM »

Quote from: epiphany on March 18, 2022, 12:25:20 AM

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Not a one person has come forward to say that they have told their children what they are teaching others here, that smoking MJ recreationally "in moderation" with their teenage friends or at home with their siblings around is not a sin. It seems that they are ashamed of saying it, or hopefully they are just blowing hot air and would not say that to their children.

I have told my children that.

"That " means - You taught your children that smoking MJ recreationally "in moderation" with their teenage friends or at home with their siblings around is not a sin. You are saying that your young girls go out with boys and smoke MJ and that you smoke MJ with them at home.

You also said before that your children run around naked, I assumed it was just the little babies, but at what age do you cut it off, or do they just switch to running around in under wear? By the way, are you OK with your daughters going to the beach wearing bikinis or wearing short shorts about town?

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My kids had no problem running around naked.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #87 on:** March 18, 2022, 06:48:51 AM »

Quote from: epiphany on March 18, 2022, 06:42:38 AM

Assumptions, and extrapolations happen a LOT on cathinfo.

That is true. That is why it is wise to ask questions rather than make assumptions and the extrapolations from assumptions.

epiphany · « **Reply #88 on:** March 18, 2022, 07:08:11 AM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 18, 2022, 06:44:10 AM

I have told my children that.

"That " means - You taught your children that smoking MJ recreationally "in moderation" with their teenage friends or at home with their siblings around is not a sin. You are saying that your young girls go out with boys and smoke MJ and that you smoke MJ with them at home.

You also said before that your children run around naked, I assumed it was just the little babies, but at what age do you cut it off, or do they just switch to running around in under wear? By the way, are you OK with your daughters going to the beach wearing bikinis or wearing short shorts about town?

More extrapolations....

I did not say:
-  my young girls go out with boys
-  my young girls smoke MJ
- i smoke MJ with them at home
-  my children run around naked

Read what you asked:
"...they have told their children what they are teaching others here, that smoking MJ recreationally "in moderation" with their teenage friends or at home with their siblings around is not a sin. It seems that they are ashamed of saying it, or hopefully they are just blowing hot air and would not say that to their children."

In saying "I have told my children that," I am telling you that I have TOLD my children that. It does not mean I do it with them.

Furthermore, your use of the word "or" gives an option of "with their teenage friends "or" at home with their siblings".

Nowhere in your statement did you discuss girls going out with boys. My daughters don't "go out with" boys.  And my boys don't "go out with" girls. They "court".

No where in your statement did you mention "young girls".

Recreational use of MJ, in and of itself, in moderation, is not a sin any moreso than is alcohol.

Read again what I said about my children running around naked. I have attached it.

Get your head out of the gutter, LT.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #89 on:** March 18, 2022, 07:23:44 AM »

Quote from: epiphany on March 18, 2022, 07:08:11 AM

More extrapolations....

The writer accuses me of conjecture and extrapolations by using conjecture and extrapolations against me, when I precisely only asked questions to avoid conjecture. Amazing! The writer either answers the questions or that is the end of the conversation.

Re: Oxymoron - Catholics for Recreational Use of Marijuana
« Reply #86 on: Today at 06:44:10 AM »

Quote from: epiphany on Today at 12:25:20 AM

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Last Tradhican wrote: Not a one person has come forward to say that they have told their children what they are teaching others here, that smoking MJ recreationally "in moderation" with their teenage friends or at home with their siblings around is not a sin. It seems that they are ashamed of saying it, or hopefully they are just blowing hot air and would not say that to their children.

Epiphany responded - I have told my children that.

"That " means - You taught your children that smoking MJ recreationally "in moderation" with their teenage friends or at home with their siblings around is not a sin. You are saying that your young girls go out with boys and smoke MJ and that you smoke MJ with them at home.

You also said before that your children run around naked, I assumed it was just the little babies, but at what age do you cut it off, or do they just switch to running around in under wear? By the way, are you OK with your daughters going to the beach wearing bikinis or wearing short shorts about town?
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My kids had no problem running around naked.