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Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #40 on: Yesterday at 12:09:15 PM »

If you agree that it's simple question, then why have you and that other guy not been able to answer it?
It has be answer. God make deer. God make scripture. God put deer in scripture. seem God want use deer to teach something. do you know why God make deer? is interesting question to I. have you answer?

Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #41 on: Yesterday at 12:20:29 PM »
You didn't answer the question. Why would you want to learn anything from deer?
Why would we want to learn anything "from the lillies of the field or the birds of the sky"? Let me answer the rethorical questions.


"Why did Solomon, David, Job and even Our Blessed Lord want us to learn anything from animals? 

Why did God create deer anyhow? Exclusively for meat and hide?"

When God created deer or any other animal, he was looking at himself as the exemplar, the Catechism of Trent says this:

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As it was His own goodness that influenced Him when He did all things whatsoever He would, so in the work of creation He followed no external form or model; but contemplating, and as it were imitating, the universal model contained in the divine intelligence, the supreme Architect, with infinite wisdom and power-attributes peculiar to the Divinity -- created all things in the beginning.


So each animal is a reflection of a certain aspect of God, and in turn of Christ and of man.

We live in a materialist world that confuses the "how" for the "why"
Why do birds sing? Most people would say "to attract mates, define territory, and warn of danger" and that explains the material causes, but the deeper reason why birds sing is closer to something like "to show us that we should also constantly happily sing the praises of God, and that Christ sings with joy through his body The Church."

And you could say "the Bible already instructs us to do that we don't need to ponder about birds" but I don't know I feel like when God made it so that everytime you go out you hear and see birds it wasn't "just because" and we should just ignore it. The people of Christendom certainly didn't.


Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #42 on: Yesterday at 12:29:20 PM »
Why would anyone need to look to deer for truth? Its a simple question.
Considering creation as a book written by God was a very common trope in the Middle Ages.

St. Augustine mentions it: https://inters.org/Augustine-Book-of-Nature

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Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #43 on: Yesterday at 12:50:46 PM »
Why would we want to learn anything "from the lillies of the field or the birds of the sky"? Let me answer the rethorical questions.


"Why did Solomon, David, Job and even Our Blessed Lord want us to learn anything from animals?

Why did God create deer anyhow? Exclusively for meat and hide?"

When God created deer or any other animal, he was looking at himself as the exemplar, the Catechism of Trent says this:


So each animal is a reflection of a certain aspect of God, and in turn of Christ and of man.

We live in a materialist world that confuses the "how" for the "why"
Why do birds sing? Most people would say "to attract mates, define territory, and warn of danger" and that explains the material causes, but the deeper reason why birds sing is closer to something like "to show us that we should also constantly happily sing the praises of God, and that Christ sings with joy through his body The Church."

And you could say "the Bible already instructs us to do that we don't need to ponder about birds" but I don't know I feel like when God made it so that everytime you go out you hear and see birds it wasn't "just because" and we should just ignore it. The people of Christendom certainly didn't.

I would agree that birds are a joyful thing for humans to behold; they are created by God, and as such we can marvel in the attributes that God has given them. I love birds and have quite a few bird feeders and bird houses around my house, but that does not mean that they have anything of a profound spiritual nature to teach me.

So I would like to ask: what is it specifically about deer that causes you to believe that we can learn something from them? My personal observations about deer is that they are quite beautiful. They are also simple-minded and not very bright, and they have a sort of child-like humility about them. What is your observations about deer? You mentioned them specifically earlier in this thread, so surely you have some thoughts on them? A direct answer would be appreciated, rather than deflecting onto another subject. 

Re: Occult Subversion of Traditional Catholicism
« Reply #44 on: Yesterday at 01:20:11 PM »
I would agree that birds are a joyful thing for humans to behold; they are created by God, and as such we can marvel in the attributes that God has given them. I love birds and have quite a few bird feeders and bird houses around my house, but that does not mean that they have anything of a profound spiritual nature to teach me.

So I would like to ask: what is it specifically about deer that causes you to believe that we can learn something from them? My personal observations about deer is that they are quite beautiful. They are also simple-minded and not very bright, and they have a sort of child-like humility about them. What is your observations about deer? You mentioned them specifically earlier in this thread, so surely you have some thoughts on them? A direct answer would be appreciated, rather than deflecting onto another subject.
Reading some of my posts backs I just realized I might've come across as a jerk, sorry about that, I'm just very passionate about the sacramental worldview this is just brothers in Christ talking here innit I love you guys.

With the underlined statement is what I disagree with, I think everything in nature has something spiritual to teach us because I believe that everything in nature means something.

I don't know much about deer to be honest, I only mentioned them because I said David and the psalm came to mind but I guess I would say they mean the soul's thirst of God who's the living water, the agility of the holy man to evade the enemies of the soul and their snares and to run quickly in the path of justice, the ability of a holy man secure in God to walk securely through the rocky terrain of life without stumbling, also that the holy man must have simplicity and a sort of child-like humility about him ;)

There's probably even more to be said I just don't know the scientific facts, asking AI it seems like the they regrow their antlers every year, can detect magnetic fields and know where north is and they see ultraviolet lights that we can't see. How about you, do you see any spiritual meaning in these?