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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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« on: January 01, 2023, 04:34:34 PM »
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    • Obelisk should have been destroyed like the golden calf.  Such waste of time of money for a pagan monument.  Look at the pagan statue in USA (DC).  Symbols of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  God’s first Commandment tells you that the obelisk needs to be destroyed.  Worship God;not satan.   Most of the novus Ordo are pagans.   





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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #1 on: January 01, 2023, 04:57:29 PM »
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    • You sound like an uncultured Philistine. Not every obelisk is inscribed with a call to worship pagan gods.
    They are more similar to Trajan's column in Rome, which simply gives a pictorial account of his military 
    victories. 
    I don't think our youth have ever been swayed to start worshipping Anubis because they passed 
    an obelisk while out for a stroll. Same goes for visiting any museum where pagan artifacts are on display.
    Those gods have long since been replaced by a host of vulgar celebrities
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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #2 on: January 01, 2023, 06:07:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on January 01, 2023, 04:34:34 PM
    Obelisk should have been destroyed like the golden calf.  Such waste of time of money for a pagan monument.  Look at the pagan statue in USA (DC).  Symbols of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  God’s first Commandment tells you that the obelisk needs to be destroyed.  Worship God;not satan.  Most of the novus Ordo are pagans. 



    Seriously, you need to stop posting this garbage. You’re sounding more and more like a puritanical Protestant. Those obelisks are capped with a cross to signify Christianity’s dominance over paganism. Tell it to all of the popes and saints who allowed them to stand for nearly two centuries unmolested. They didn’t want to destroy those historical monuments.  :facepalm:
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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #3 on: January 01, 2023, 06:33:47 PM »
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    • How do you think we ended up with Bergolio and Biden??  Pagans.  People have lost the faith. 

    Look at Notre Dame …. It’s now Notre Shame.  Pagans. 

    We don’t need any pagan monuments period.  Catholics need to pray, fast and take action.   Who cares about pagan Egyptian statues and art work.  We have people in the world who don’t know Jesus or they were poorly catechized.  

    You need to stop defending this pagan garbage.

    The most important thing for Catholics is  God and our blessed Mother. Our faith.  Everything else is materialistic. 

    Our VIctory is in heaven. 

    Jesus chased out the money changers. 







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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #4 on: January 01, 2023, 06:40:25 PM »
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    • Another thing much stuff in museums especially from Egypt are cursed.  Vatican museums are being used to cater parties of the rich and famous pagans.  I guess you love the artwork of golden buda statue and other unholy art that was gifted as the Vatican gives away our holy relics.  Our God is a jealous God.  He will not be mocked. 

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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #5 on: January 01, 2023, 06:49:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: BernardoGui on January 01, 2023, 04:57:29 PM
    You sound like an uncultured Philistine. Not every obelisk is inscribed with a call to worship pagan gods.
    They are more similar to Trajan's column in Rome, which simply gives a pictorial account of his military
    victories.
    I don't think our youth have ever been swayed to start worshipping Anubis because they passed
    an obelisk while out for a stroll. Same goes for visiting any museum where pagan artifacts are on display.
    Those gods have long since been replaced by a host of vulgar celebrities
    Oh.  Really?  Then why are so many Catholic Churches and Catholic schools are closing?  Many Catholic youth have left the Catholic to worship false gods like Anubis.  Bergolio worships statues of naked fertility goddess.  And many youth left the Catholic Church for satanism and witchcraft.  These celebrities are worshipping demon pagan gods and goddesses.  They mock our God and most Catholics condone it.

    Visit holy shrines instead of secular museums full of pagan shrines and unholy cursed objects. 


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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #6 on: January 01, 2023, 07:05:00 PM »
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    • Why is there an Egyptian obelisk erected at St. Peter's Square?
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    Almost everybody has seen the famous Egyptian obelisk at the center of the St. Peter's Square in Vatican City. Either you visited Rome, or you watched it on television when a new pope is elected or for example during Easter. But what is the story? Why has this particular obelisk been erected here and what is the connection with the Vatican?

    First I want to point out that there are many kinds of obelisks. Some have been quarried in Egypt, but many have been self made. Currently there are only 28 Egyptian obelisks standing in the world. Only 6 are standing in Egypt, 13 in Rome and the rest is located around the world in cities like New York, London, Paris and Istanbul. The Egyptian obelisk which is now located at St. Peter's Square is often called Vatican Obelisk. It is not known which Pharaoh has constructed it, but it is assumed that it was erected at Heliopolis around 2500 BC. Around 30 BC the obelisk was moved to Alexandria by Emperor Augustus and erected at the Julian Forum. In 37 AD Emperor Caligula ordered the destruction of the Forum and the obelisk was shipped to Rome. It was placed on the central Spina of Caligula’s circus, later called the Circus of Nero. Much of the circus is under the basilica and square, the original spot for the obelisk is near the present-day sacristy, south of the basilica. The Circus of Nero was not only used for chariot racing, but also for countless brutal public executions of Christians, who were blamed for the big fires in Rome in 64 AD. It is believed that the apostles Saint Peter and Saint Paul were crucified in the Circus. The obelisk remained there for 1.500 years. Then in 1586 Pope Sixtus V decided to have the obelisk moved a few hundred meters to its present location, in front of the construction site of the (new) St. Peter Basilica. The question is what motivated Pope Sixtus V to erect the 25 meters (82 ft) high phallic pillar on the center of St. Peter's Square?

    Actually the idea of moving the obelisk came from Pope Nicholas V, but was never succeeded. Sixtus V, who desired to recover and restore statues and obelisks in the neglected city of Rome, was challenged by the idea of Nicholas V. At that time many believed that those who would adore and pray to an image were likely to believe the god represented by it was alive in the stone and watching their behavior. Probably Pope Sixtus V also believed this and that is why, after the obelisk was moved and before the cross was placed on top, he conducted the ancient rite of exorcism against the obelisk. After that he casted sanctified water upon the pillar in the form of a cross and spoke, “In nomine Patris, et Filij, et Spiritus sancti. Amen” (“In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen”). The text of the exorcism is carved in Latin into the western and eastern sides of the base of the obelisk.

    The obelisk was moved by engineer and architect Domenico Fontana. It took over 900 men and 140 horses more than 5 months to move the obelisk and pull it upright. Fontana did a good job and the obelisk still stands, in fact it is the only ancient Egyptian obelisk in Rome which remained standing since Roman times. It remains a mystery why the obelisk has no hieroglyphic inscriptions.
    Nowadays three different coats-of-arms can be found on the obelisk. Its base is adorned with four lions and some bronze eagles while at the top hills and stars can be seen. The lions refer to Sixtus V, the eagles (only added in 1713) to the Conti family of Pope Innocence XIII and the hills and stars belong to Pope Alexander VII‘s Chigi family. Recently Pope Benedict XVI revealed that the obelisk is in fact al huge sundial and that can accurately indicate midday thanks to a granite meridian and marble markers embedded in the square.
    Not everybody likes the obelisk, but we all agree that it has great history.

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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #7 on: January 01, 2023, 07:30:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on January 01, 2023, 06:49:58 PM
    Oh.  Really?  Then why are so many Catholic Churches and Catholic schools are closing?  Many Catholic youth have left the Catholic to worship false gods like Anubis.  Bergolio worships statues of naked fertility goddess.  And many youth left the Catholic Church for satanism and witchcraft.  These celebrities are worshipping demon pagan gods and goddesses.  They mock our God and most Catholics condone it.

    Visit holy shrines instead of secular museums full of pagan shrines and unholy cursed objects.
    Those are novus ordo buildings that are closing, mostly to sell the real estate in order to cover the enormous settlements for all the kid touching priests. 
    Bergoglio doesn't worship pachamama, he allows the profanation of the Vatican as way of elevating his true lord and master, Lucifer.

    The fact is Raphael, Michelangelo and other masters decorated the papal apartments with statues and paintings of many Greco/Roman deities, not for the purpose of worship but because the ancients prior to Christ possessed a
    certain ideals, particularly with respect to aesthetics/beauty that hinted at the divine. St. Peter's itself is
    an adaptation of classical architecture. 
    Every decorative element in every church you have ever seen didn't just spring out of a void.
    Even Aquinas understood this, because he is constantly referencing Aristotle. 

    Furthermore, the Pantheon in Rome was a major pagan temple that was converted to a Catholic church. 
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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #8 on: January 01, 2023, 09:22:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on January 01, 2023, 04:34:34 PM
    Obelisk should have been destroyed like the golden calf.  Such waste of time of money for a pagan monument.
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    This obelisk was put in St. Peter's Square by a good and holy pope many centuries ago. You should have more respect when you talk about things like this, especially if it's something you don't know much about. Shame on you.
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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #9 on: January 01, 2023, 10:15:44 PM »
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    • You seem to like throwing buzzwords around
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    « Reply #10 on: January 01, 2023, 10:25:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: BernardoGui on January 01, 2023, 07:30:33 PM
    Those are novus ordo buildings that are closing, mostly to sell the real estate in order to cover the enormous settlements for all the kid touching priests.
    Bergoglio doesn't worship pachamama, he allows the profanation of the Vatican as way of elevating his true lord and master, Lucifer.

    The fact is Raphael, Michelangelo and other masters decorated the papal apartments with statues and paintings of many Greco/Roman deities, not for the purpose of worship but because the ancients prior to Christ possessed a
    certain ideals, particularly with respect to aesthetics/beauty that hinted at the divine. St. Peter's itself is
    an adaptation of classical architecture.
    Every decorative element in every church you have ever seen didn't just spring out of a void.
    Even Aquinas understood this, because he is constantly referencing Aristotle.

    Furthermore, the Pantheon in Rome was a major pagan temple that was converted to a Catholic church.
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    This is very well said, my friend. Every word in this post is like solid rock. Nicely done.
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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #11 on: January 02, 2023, 12:50:34 AM »
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    • We know Greek and Norse mythology because monks and priests kept them.

    The same thing happened with art and architecture as Bernardo says.

    Even in America, at least in Spanish America, native languages and culture were preserved while paganism was combated. Fray Bernardino de Sahagún, a Franciscan priest, learned Nahualt and translated many texts.

    The same happened with the Incas, that is why there are works like "Hanacpachap cussicuinin" Hymn to the Virgin Mary and the first polyphonic work in America, written in Quechua.



    Pagan religions were fought, but their art and culture were preserved, then they knew how to differentiate one thing from the other. Why should it be different now?

    Ancient Egypt, yes, they made great architectural works: temples, necropolis, pyramids, etc. You can affirm that and at the same time say that their religion was false, pagan and they worshiped demons. One thing doesn't negate the other.
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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #12 on: January 02, 2023, 03:09:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on January 01, 2023, 06:33:47 PM
    We don’t need any pagan monuments period.  Catholics need to pray, fast and take action.  Who cares about pagan Egyptian statues and art work.
    Okay, Tertullian.
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    « Reply #13 on: January 02, 2023, 11:39:32 AM »
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    • Been reading Michael Hoffman lately, VCR?
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    Re: Obelisk
    « Reply #14 on: January 02, 2023, 06:55:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on January 01, 2023, 09:22:41 PM
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    This obelisk was put in St. Peter's Square by a good and holy pope many centuries ago. You should have more respect when you talk about things like this, especially if it's something you don't know much about. Shame on you.
    How do you know if he was a good and holy pope?  Only God knows.  Our God is a jealous God who doesn’t like pagan statues.  I do know it’s pagan.  It seems many popes like to dabble with paganism.  Shame on the Catholics for accepting such nonsense and distractions from the true faith.  What is important artwork or spreading the Gospel of Jesus.  I’m sure while Priests were dodging bullets and the poor Catholics were going to Mass rocks, they were thinking about pagan statues.

    Jesus Christ now and forever.
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