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Offline poche

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Re: Novus ordo HS student dilemma
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2019, 11:09:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 16, 2019, 05:43:44 AM
    Stop digressing into individual topics.  He just gave one thing as an example, as I'm sure there's no shortage of heresies being taught at your average Novus Ordo High School.
    In this example there is an out that is provided by the Baltimore Catechism. It is not a heresy to say that a person who is afflicted by an invincible ignorance can be saved if he has good will. the angels sang, "et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis." which means "and on earth peace to men of good will." 
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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Novus ordo HS student dilemma
    « Reply #16 on: December 17, 2019, 10:55:36 AM »
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    • But it is a LIE to falsify Scripture.
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    Re: Novus ordo HS student dilemma
    « Reply #17 on: December 17, 2019, 11:37:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on December 16, 2019, 11:09:05 PM
    In this example there is an out that is provided by the Baltimore Catechism. It is not a heresy to say that a person who is afflicted by an invincible ignorance can be saved if he has good will. the angels sang, "et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis." which means "and on earth peace to men of good will."
    I know the Baltimore catechism answer isn’t well liked here, and Catholic in America doesn’t agree with it (which removes that option) but I have a hard time even pigeonholing that answer as a “false” answer to the quiz question.  It’s more like “true, unless” 
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    Re: Novus ordo HS student dilemma
    « Reply #18 on: December 17, 2019, 04:20:17 PM »
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    • UPDATE: 

    Took test today and I think the teacher purposefully worded every question as: “kreeft says” or “the textbook says”. Turns out I didn’t have to get any one “wrong” in their eyes. Thanks for the good advice. 
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    Re: Novus ordo HS student dilemma
    « Reply #19 on: December 17, 2019, 04:53:40 PM »
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    • This school needs to do a better job of teaching you composition skills, IMHO. 
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    Re: Novus ordo HS student dilemma
    « Reply #20 on: December 17, 2019, 06:22:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Spork on December 17, 2019, 04:53:40 PM
    This school needs to do a better job of teaching you composition skills, IMHO.
    if I were worrying about my diction I’d be typing proper sentences and use appropriate punctuation. I’m not, however. I am posting to an Internet forum with strangers that don’t know who I am. It took me maybe 2 seconds each to type all my messages. I am not so worried about my composition as I am my soul. 
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    Re: Novus ordo HS student dilemma
    « Reply #21 on: December 19, 2019, 10:45:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on December 17, 2019, 10:55:36 AM
    But it is a LIE to falsify Scripture.
    We are not falsifying scripture by saying that those who invincibly do not know that the Catholic Church is the true Church can be saved. 
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    Re: Novus ordo HS student dilemma
    « Reply #22 on: December 19, 2019, 10:58:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on December 17, 2019, 11:37:56 AM
    I know the Baltimore catechism answer isn’t well liked here, and Catholic in America doesn’t agree with it (which removes that option) but I have a hard time even pigeonholing that answer as a “false” answer to the quiz question.  It’s more like “true, unless”
    The Baltimore Catechism is the catechism that was used prior to Vatican II in the United States. Prior to coming to this forum the only criticism of the Baltimore Catechism came from modernist and modernist-friendly people who didn't like that it presented a solid background in what the Catholic Church taught.
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    Re: Novus ordo HS student dilemma
    « Reply #23 on: December 20, 2019, 01:17:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on December 19, 2019, 10:45:17 PM
    We are not falsifying scripture by saying that those who invincibly do not know that the Catholic Church is the true Church can be saved.
    You falsified scripture when you claimed for your proud convenience:

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    "And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301
     

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    Re: Novus ordo HS student dilemma
    « Reply #24 on: December 20, 2019, 06:13:51 AM »
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    • You UNREPENTANT LIAR. You used QUOTATION MARKS:

    Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
    "And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301

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    Re: Novus ordo HS student dilemma
    « Reply #25 on: December 22, 2019, 12:58:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on December 17, 2019, 06:22:04 PM
    if I were worrying about my diction I’d be typing proper sentences and use appropriate punctuation. I’m not, however. I am posting to an Internet forum with strangers that don’t know who I am. It took me maybe 2 seconds each to type all my messages. I am not so worried about my composition as I am my soul.
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    Your piety is admirable. 
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    Re: Novus ordo HS student dilemma
    « Reply #26 on: December 23, 2019, 01:10:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicInAmerica on December 17, 2019, 06:22:04 PM
    if I were worrying about my diction I’d be typing proper sentences and use appropriate punctuation. I’m not, however. I am posting to an Internet forum with strangers that don’t know who I am. It took me maybe 2 seconds each to type all my messages. I am not so worried about my composition as I am my soul.
    Spork makes a good point.


    If you are worried about your soul, you will attempt to do all things well. That includes writing to strangers on internet. It is not a good idea to get into the habit of using sloppy language.
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