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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2019, 01:40:57 AM »
There are three lines of argument that Bergoglio cannot be a true Pope:

 
 
Shortly before he died in 1226 A.D., St. Francis of Assisi prophesied that:
 
“A man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the pontificate… In those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true pastor, but a destroyer.”
http://www.novusordowatch.org/francis.htm
 
 
“A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.”
Titus 3:10-11
 
 
Destroyer • Heretic
 
Bergoglio was a pertinacious public heretic years before the 2013 Conclave
https://fromrome.wordpress.com/2017/09/08/bergoglio-was-a-pertinacious-public-heretic-years-before-the-2013-conclave/
 
“Team Bergoglio” is a heretical conspiracy to overthrow the Church of Christ
https://fromrome.wordpress.com/2015/02/10/team-bergoglio-is-a-heretical-conspiracy-to-overthrow-the-church-of-christ/

 
Bergoglio’s Heretical Past is Francis’ Present (only the Spanish language original survives)
https://youtu.be/DsnI4q6GsFU
 
Francis re-defrocks fellow Novus Ordo priest in the name of defending Orthodox Judaism
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/07/francis-re-defrocks-fellow-novus-ordo.html
 
Francis and the Shekinah
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2014/05/francis-shekinah.html
 
Teachings of [Jorge Bergoglio] compared to past Church Teaching
http://francisquotes.com
 
Francis  promotes the 620 noahide laws
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/06/francis-is-onboard-with-noahide-program.html
 
 
Why Francis Must Not Be Considered The Pope

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2019, 07:36:20 AM »
"And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
That is not an accurate quote. The Douay-Rheims (and every other Bible I know of) says "shall not prevail against it", meaning the Church herself, not St. Peter himself in this case.


Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2019, 07:53:51 AM »
Elsewhere I have written:

«Citing the work of Da Silveira, Don Curzio Nitoglia explains that the first opinion, that a pope cannot be a heretic, is the one that is most commonly taught as the most probable by the majority of theologians and Doctors: Bellarmine, Francisco Suárez, Melchior Cano, Domingo Soto, John of St. Thomas, Juan de Torquemada, Louis Billot, Joachim Salaverri, A. Maria Vellico, Charles Journet (and Cajetan who is not cited by Da Silveira, but is demonstrated by Msgr. Vittorio Mondello in La dottrina del Gaetano sul Romano Pontefice, Messina, Istituto Arti Grafiche di Sicilia, 1965, cap. V, pp. 163-194 e cap. VI, pp. 195-224). ... Bordoni, who held the opinion to be “very probable”, cites Suárez, Pedro de Simanca, Domingo Bañez, and Bellarmine to be of this opinion; and mentions that Bonacina, cites others who were of the same opinion, explaining that they (as well as he) based their opinion on the belief that the words, Ut non deficiat fides tua were spoken simpliciter, and therefore without distinction between the public or the private person. Bordoni also argued extensively on the notable disputed cases proving that none of those popes was a formal heretic. [...] Opinion No. 1 is founded on the words of Christ Himself who prayed that the Pontiff’s faith not fail. Pope Innocent III and St. Robert Bellarmine based their teaching that the pope cannot become a heretic on the foundation of that scripture passage. Since Vatican I taught on the basis of that passage that the grace is given to the pope lest his fail, precisely so that he may be able to define infallibly; the First Opinion, namely, that the pope cannot fall into formal heresy, has become “commonly taught as the most probable”, as Don Curzio attests. Fr Gleize states on the question, “Can a pope fall into heresy?”: “In fact, the negative answer to this question is the common opinion of theologians of the modern era.” However, in order to deceive their readers into believing that their contrary opinion represents the mind of the Church, and seduce them into thinking the opposite opinion is the common opinion, Salza & Siscoe falsely state on page 191 of their screed: “It is the common opinion among theologians that a Pope can fall into personal heresy (internally), and even public and notorious heresy (externally).”»         

Offline Meg

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2019, 08:18:12 AM »
Can you please cite a source and link for the view that Dom Curzio Nitoglia believes that the Pope cannot be a heretic?

Dom Curzio Nitoglia changed his views years ago, and is no longer a sedeprivationist. Here's an article posted five months ago on this forum, which gives a more current view of Fr. Nitoglia:

https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/deposing-the-pope-by-fr-curzio-nitoglia/

Re: Is Francis the Pope?
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2019, 08:34:09 AM »
Sources and links are provided in my book, To Deceive the Elect, Volume One. Don Curzio in the cited passage treats of a specific point of doctrine, to wit, that the common opinion of theoligians is that a valid pope cannot be a formal heretic. The article is posted on his website. He has not deviated from this position; and whether or not he has changed his position as a sedeprivationist is totally irrelevant to this point of doctrine.