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Re: My experience with psychedelic drugs
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2025, 04:53:05 PM »
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  • WHY would any true Catholic think an “experience” under the influence of a mind altering drug believe it enhanced his spiritual life? It’s a pagan practice. 

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    Re: My experience with psychedelic drugs
    « Reply #16 on: January 08, 2025, 07:18:28 PM »
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  • WHY would any true Catholic think an “experience” under the influence of a mind altering drug believe it enhanced his spiritual life? It’s a pagan practice.
    Because God can bring good from evil. Because we don't fully understand all of God's creation, and it's possible that there is something beneficial there. Because there are many cases of it having led to people's conversion or helped them understand some spiritual problem. It also often can lead to spiritual problems if abused or used after the main benefit has been aquired. It may have some use as a medicine, but if the Church teaches that these things are forbidden, then they are. It doesn't mean it was a sin while someone was ignorant of Church teaching and the dangers involved.

    I would argue that sleep is a mind altering condition of the body that impairs the will and causes loss of control of ones faculties, and it can be abused if someone chooses to sleep too much, but sleep is not evil of itself.

    There is a substance from magic mushrooms that in sub hallucinogen doses may help faster and fuller recovery for certain stroke survivors, because of it's ability to help the brain form new connections to repair and reroute around the damage.

    I think some of these substances may help the mind to think better in certain ways too complex for me to describe right now, but in short it may be like controlled (if you chose to) vivid dreaming. I have never used any such substances, so I only speak from accounts I've heard.
    I am not a New Ager, rest assured.
    I am just sincerely wondering why I experienced all this.
    I agree that LSD is simply a chemical molecule that acts in the brain. Yoga is also simply body positions, and yet we say that there is really something spiritual behind it. When King Saul went to consult the pythoness, he used a form of the occult, but yet it was really Samuel who appeared to him.
    My experiences were so intense that I came to the conclusion that a perfect Being really exists and that he governs all things.
    Did God have used or allowed that by an evil means (LSD) I am directed to him? When I took psychedelics, it was only to find the Truth, so perhaps God had mercy on me because my intention was right and he used this evil means as a path to Him? I am only speculating.
    Be thankful for God's gifts, and now stay away from drugs. Thanks for sharing your story. I find this a very interesting topic.
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    Re: My experience with psychedelic drugs
    « Reply #17 on: January 09, 2025, 12:42:03 PM »
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  • Just thinking out loud here.

    So, when we see, there are various light waves coming from an object, either reflected or generated by the object itself, and these light waves come in different wavelengths, which then some combination of the eyeball (or organ of sight) and the brain, interpret as different "colors".  Some people are color blind and can't see them all.  Various animals see some wavelengths but not others.  In fact, there are many wavelengths of light that are there but that we cannot see, e.g. infrared, ultraviolet, the different kinds of radiation, etc.  If we had more of these "cones" in our eyeballs, we might see them, and then the brain might interpret them as even different "colors" (which is an interpretation of some intelligibility that allows us to distinguish one from the other).  But, then, I imagine, that the soul (both the higher faculties and the lower sensible faculties ... since there in fact a "sensible part of the soul", in addition to the higher faculties) somehow can sense and "know" (turn into some intelligible -- immaterial -- form) ALL the different wavelengths of light, radiation, etc.  AND it would sense / know about every photon (or wave or whatever) of light being emitted by something, and it would know / hear every soundwave (even if it's tiny and inaudible by our current sense organs for hearing, e.g. the ear), whereas our sense organ currently limits or constrains our ability to hear sounds that are either two "low" in volume, or perhaps blended in with other waves, or too high or low in pitch, etc.  So not only is there light, but sound, and all manner of other sensible / corporeal reality all around us that the sensible parts of our souls would be able to perceive directly when removed from the constraints of our physical sense organs, but we also wouldn't be limited by things such as "distance" from the object, etc.  So, based on these considerations, I believe that in theory, it's theoretically possible that some drug could free us from the constrains of our physical sense organs and provide a more direct and intelligible perception of reality ... though there's no evidence or proof that that is what is happening with these drugs, and that the drugs are simply lifting these constraints vs. creating experiences by directly acting upon our brains, which are the receptors and interpreters of all this perceived sense information.
    Whay your said here really makes sense, from my experiences.

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    Re: My experience with psychedelic drugs
    « Reply #18 on: January 09, 2025, 01:56:31 PM »
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  • In high school, prior to my traditional Catholic conversion, a buddy and myself did some red microdot LSD on Friday 13th.  Bad idea. My buddy started hearing voices and I said, "David are you hearing voices,?" to which he replied, "Yes, I am hearing voices that say, 'kill, kill, kill'."  I heard the same voices.  Luckily, I pulled out my St. Joseph Edition Bible and started reading it out loud, and the voices left.  We also saw angels outside flying through the air.  I am convinced that hallucigenic agents will very often open the door to the demonic.    

    I knew one guy, his uncle did one hit of Grateful Dead LSD, and he thought spiders were all over his body.  He tried to get the spiders off with a steak knife.  The guy ended up stabbing himself to death. 
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    Re: My experience with psychedelic drugs
    « Reply #19 on: January 09, 2025, 02:45:44 PM »
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  • Just because God can bring good from evil does not make evil good. Should we sin that grace may abound? 


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    Re: My experience with psychedelic drugs
    « Reply #20 on: January 09, 2025, 06:19:12 PM »
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  • Just because God can bring good from evil does not make evil good. Should we sin that grace may abound?
    Jorge answers: "Yes!!!" https://web.archive.org/web/20191011112644/callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-rebbe-explains-hasidic-stratagem-of.html


    the Rebbe explains the Hasidic stratagem of “descent for sake of ascent”




    As regular readers of this blog know, Francis is into all things Judaic, especially Chasidism.  Their doctrines creep out here and there in Francis’ sermons and docuмents.  One of the things which Francis does with regularity is to invert the teachings of the Church.  An example of this is the use of the term ‘pharisee’ which he applies to his enemies, who are not open to тαℓмυdic Judaism and Francis’ anti-Catholic machinations.  Another example is his favorite blasphemous painting, White Crucifixion.  Francis shows his hand, when he inverts Catholic doctrine, as a modernist change agent who is simply following the dictates of ‘The Rebbe’ to be, “modern on the outside and Chabad on the inside.” One of the most blatant examples is Francis teaching the тαℓмυdic formula: Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah (“decent for sake of ascent”).  This teaching simply means that one has to descend into sin, which paradoxically has a positive status in Hasidism, in order to ascend to new heights.  This is done because the god of тαℓмυdic Judaism is one of opposites — a hermaphrodite god of good/evil.  In the Hasidic lore, tzaddiks (saints or righteous people) wrestle not with evil but with goodness as they descend into sin in this process in order to ascend into righteousness.  Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah is one of the foundational beliefs of Orthodox тαℓмυdic Judaism along with Tikun Olam.  In the later belief the rabbis have the chutzpah to state that God made creation imperfect and the тαℓмυdic Jєωs are to correct his work.

    The Hasidism of Francis’ mind is also shown when he says such things as, “[Jesus] made himself the devil” and “the Holy Trinity [is] arguing behind closed doors but on the outside they give the picture of unity.”  Who else sees Jesus as a devil or God as a bunch of arguing rabbis other than a тαℓмυdist?  Whether he his parroting the ideas of Heschel, Levinas, Buber, Wiesel, a dead rebbe from the Steppes, or having over rabbis as guests who often gift him with books (Gluck & Steinsaltz) there’s an excellent chance it’s comes from the Baal Shem Tov and his cult in one manner or another.

    In the video clip below the late Chabad Lubavitcher rabbi, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, explains why Hasids should descend (into sin) in order to ascend — they are hunters getting ready to kill their prey.  Another late Chasidic rabbi, Abraham Heschel (of Vatican II’s Nostra Aetate), in a 1965 interview with Ma'ariv explained exactly whom the prey were, “There are those who would like to attack [Christians] bodies. I want to attack their souls.”  The elevation which takes place is one which will incorporate the prey’s soul into the of cult тαℓмυdic Judaism and worship of their demonic hermaphrodite god.  It’s a total inversion of Catholicism, the religion instituted by Jesus the Christ.  So why is Francis teaching it?


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    Re: My experience with psychedelic drugs
    « Reply #21 on: January 09, 2025, 06:54:55 PM »
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  • Jorge answers: "Yes!!!" https://web.archive.org/web/20191011112644/callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-rebbe-explains-hasidic-stratagem-of.html


    the Rebbe explains the Hasidic stratagem of “descent for sake of ascent”




    As regular readers of this blog know, Francis is into all things Judaic, especially Chasidism.  Their doctrines creep out here and there in Francis’ sermons and docuмents.  One of the things which Francis does with regularity is to invert the teachings of the Church.  An example of this is the use of the term ‘pharisee’ which he applies to his enemies, who are not open to тαℓмυdic Judaism and Francis’ anti-Catholic machinations.  Another example is his favorite blasphemous painting, White Crucifixion.  Francis shows his hand, when he inverts Catholic doctrine, as a modernist change agent who is simply following the dictates of ‘The Rebbe’ to be, “modern on the outside and Chabad on the inside.” One of the most blatant examples is Francis teaching the тαℓмυdic formula: Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah (“decent for sake of ascent”).  This teaching simply means that one has to descend into sin, which paradoxically has a positive status in Hasidism, in order to ascend to new heights.  This is done because the god of тαℓмυdic Judaism is one of opposites — a hermaphrodite god of good/evil.  In the Hasidic lore, tzaddiks (saints or righteous people) wrestle not with evil but with goodness as they descend into sin in this process in order to ascend into righteousness.  Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah is one of the foundational beliefs of Orthodox тαℓмυdic Judaism along with Tikun Olam.  In the later belief the rabbis have the chutzpah to state that God made creation imperfect and the тαℓмυdic Jєωs are to correct his work.

    The Hasidism of Francis’ mind is also shown when he says such things as, “[Jesus] made himself the devil” and “the Holy Trinity [is] arguing behind closed doors but on the outside they give the picture of unity.”  Who else sees Jesus as a devil or God as a bunch of arguing rabbis other than a тαℓмυdist?  Whether he his parroting the ideas of Heschel, Levinas, Buber, Wiesel, a dead rebbe from the Steppes, or having over rabbis as guests who often gift him with books (Gluck & Steinsaltz) there’s an excellent chance it’s comes from the Baal Shem Tov and his cult in one manner or another.

    In the video clip below the late Chabad Lubavitcher rabbi, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, explains why Hasids should descend (into sin) in order to ascend — they are hunters getting ready to kill their prey.  Another late Chasidic rabbi, Abraham Heschel (of Vatican II’s Nostra Aetate), in a 1965 interview with Ma'ariv explained exactly whom the prey were, “There are those who would like to attack [Christians] bodies. I want to attack their souls.”  The elevation which takes place is one which will incorporate the prey’s soul into the of cult тαℓмυdic Judaism and worship of their demonic hermaphrodite god.  It’s a total inversion of Catholicism, the religion instituted by Jesus the Christ.  So why is Francis teaching it?


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    Were you responsible for the Call me Jorge blog too? It was excellent.

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    Re: My experience with psychedelic drugs
    « Reply #22 on: January 09, 2025, 11:03:52 PM »
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  • Were you responsible for the Call me Jorge blog too? It was excellent.
    No. Neither was I responsible for the Maurice Pinay blog. I admire their work. Truly first rate!


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    Re: My experience with psychedelic drugs
    « Reply #23 on: January 10, 2025, 06:31:31 AM »
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  • Just because God can bring good from evil does not make evil good. Should we sin that grace may abound?

    Yes, since that's what the Taddie clergy told everyone . . that you can do evil to prevent greater evil, vote for and participate in the empowerment of a pro abortion, pro sodomite, pro genocide Jew-puppet to prevent an (arguably) slightly worse one from getting in.  So you can do any evil you want to prevent greater evil.  Muh Trad clergy told us so.

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    Re: My experience with psychedelic drugs
    « Reply #24 on: January 10, 2025, 09:20:45 AM »
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  • Yes, since that's what the Taddie clergy told everyone . . that you can do evil to prevent greater evil, vote for and participate in the empowerment of a pro abortion, pro sodomite, pro genocide Jєω-puppet to prevent an (arguably) slightly worse one from getting in.  So you can do any evil you want to prevent greater evil.  Muh Trad clergy told us so.
    I think it's important to precise that we can do any physical evil (for example war), but never moral evil (sin itself), witch is always contrary to the will of God.

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    Re: My experience with psychedelic drugs
    « Reply #25 on: January 10, 2025, 09:48:41 AM »
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  • I think it's important to precise that we can do any physical evil (for example war), but never moral evil (sin itself), witch is always contrary to the will of God.

    So, the term "evil" in the context of moral theology always includes the notion of moral evil.  Just war, for instance, is not evil.


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  • Re:  Aaron Rogers, drugs and the 'hat man'....as the saying goes...Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

    I've seen Rogers leave the field and hold up the 'devil horns' sign many times.  I think he's dabbled in the occult much more than simple drugs.  Yet, even God, in His infinite mercy, gives these types of people a view into their future...a view into hell...a view of demons...as this 'hat man' is, obviously.  I hope Rogers wakes up before it's too late.

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  • In this picture it looks like he is seeing something strange right there in the field. Look at his eyes. 

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    Re: My experience with psychedelic drugs
    « Reply #29 on: January 30, 2025, 03:47:52 AM »
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  • Just because God can bring good from evil does not make evil good. Should we sin that grace may abound?
    Lad, Giovanni, Mark, in answer to your responses, I’m quoting St. Paul. 
     Check Romans 6:1. Read it in context.
    It’s obvious that I am no fan of Jorge or his false V2, sinodal religion.