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Kind interpretations
« on: September 08, 2022, 05:41:46 PM »
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  • An excerpt from the Spiritual Conferences of Fr. Faber on the virtue of kind interpretations and how we should do our best to cultivate such a virtue, especially in our cold, uncharitable modern world.


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    But there is one class of kind thoughts which must be dwelt upon apart. I allude to kind interpretations. The habit of not judging others is one which it is very difficult to acquire, and which is generally not acquired till very late on in the spiritual life. It men have ever indulged in judging others, the very sight of an action almost indeliberately suggests an internal commentary upon it. It has be-come so natural to them to judge, however little their own duties or responsibilities are connected with what they are judging, that the actions of others present themselves to the mind as in the attitude of asking a verdict from it. All our fellow-men, who come within the reach of our knowledge, and for the most retired of us the circle is a wide one, are prisoners at the bar; and if we are unjust, ignorant, and capricious judges, it must be granted to us that we are indefatigable ones. Now all this is simple ruin to our souls. At any risk, at the cost of life, there must be an end of this, or it will end in everlasting banishment from God. The decree of the last judgment is absolute. It is this—the measure which we have meted to others. Our present humour in judging others reveals to us what our sentence would be if we died now. Are we content to abide that issue? But, as it is impossible all at once to stop judging, and as it is also impossible to go on judging uncharitably, we must pass through the intermediate stage of kind interpretations. Few men have passed beyond this to a habit of perfect charity, which has blessedly stripped them of their judicial ermine and their deeply-rooted judicial habits of mind. We ought therefore to cultivate most sedulously the habit of kind interpretations.

    Men’s actions are very difficult to judge. Their real character depends in a great measure on the motives which prompt them, and those motives are invisible to us. Appearances are often against what we afterwards discover to have been deeds of virtue. Moreover a line of conduct is, in its look at least, very little like a logical process. It is complicated with all manner of inconsistencies, and often deformed by what is in reality a hidden consistency. Nobody can judge men but God, and we can hardly obtain a higher or more reverent view of God than that which rep-resents Him to us as judging men with perfect knowledge, unperplexed certainty, and undisturbed compassion. Now kind interpretations are imitations of the merciful ingenuity of the Creator finding excuses for His creatures. It is almost a day of revelation to us, when theology enables us to perceive that God is so merciful precisely because He is so wise; and from this truth it is an easy inference, that kindness is our best wisdom, because it is an image of the wisdom of God. This is the idea of kind interpretations, and this is the use which we must make of them. The habit of judging is so nearly incurable, and its cure is such an almost interminable process, that we must concentrate ourselves for a long while on keeping it in check, and this check is to be found in kind interpretations. We must come to esteem very lightly our sharp eye for evil, on which perhaps we once prided ourselves as cleverness. It has been to us a fountain of sarcasm; and how seldom since Adam was created has a sarcasm fallen short of being a sin? We must look at our talent for analysis of character as a dreadful possibility of huge uncharitableness. We should have been much better without it from the first. It is the hardest talent of all to manage, because it is so difficult to make any glory for God out of it. We are sure to continue to say clever things, so long as we continue to indulge in this analysis; and clever things are equally sure to be sharp and acid. Sight is a great blessing, but there are times and places in which it is far more blessed not to see. It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy, if only we could always see the characters of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course we are not to grow blind to evil; for thus we should speedily become unreal. But we must grow to something higher, and something truer, than a quickness in detecting evil.
    -p. 25-27.

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Kind interpretations
    « Reply #1 on: September 08, 2022, 05:47:19 PM »
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  • Good stuff. 

    See signature. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: Kind interpretations
    « Reply #2 on: September 08, 2022, 06:10:08 PM »
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  • Good stuff.

    See signature.
    Very good as well.

    This, in particular, in the OP is what stood out to me:
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    Now kind interpretations are imitations of the merciful ingenuity of the Creator finding excuses for His creatures.


    How often to any of us seek to excuse others? I know I don't often. Wickedness is so widespread these days that it's a monumental task to give a kind interpretation to the actions and words of others.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Kind interpretations
    « Reply #3 on: September 09, 2022, 12:22:20 PM »
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  • Thanks for posting. I think for us traditional Catholics were so used to seeing sin and error ignored that we feel we have to make a lot of noise so to speak. For example, the constant "kind interpretation" of Francis comments which are many times just wishful thinking. Sometimes the "kind" thing to do is to admonish the sinner. Even if someone says something or does something that looks bad but didn't mean it in that way, someone needs to speak out because many others will take it the wrong way. And when a guy like Francis refuses to clarify what he means he's bringing it on himself. I do realize we must try to refrain from judging the person and merely judge the word or action in question. The problem is, the hierarchy are suppose to be judging what's right and wrong. When they refuse to do so, like today, we feel that we must do it for them. At least that's how I feel. I feel like I have to constantly explain to others especially my family why something a bishop or the pope said or did is wrong. It's tuff because the average Joe is more likely to listen to the hierarchy than a lay person, which would normally be a good thing but times are crazy. What a mess lol. Again, thanks for posting. There does need to be a balance. 
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    Re: Kind interpretations
    « Reply #4 on: September 09, 2022, 12:39:59 PM »
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  • Great post. Love Fr Faber. 

    "Appearances are often against what we afterwards discover to have been deeds of virtue."  --Fr Faber

     

     


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    Re: Kind interpretations
    « Reply #5 on: September 09, 2022, 12:41:13 PM »
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  • Thanks for posting. I think for us traditional Catholics were so used to seeing sin and error ignored that we feel we have to make a lot of noise so to speak. For example, the constant "kind interpretation" of Francis comments which are many times just wishful thinking. Sometimes the "kind" thing to do is to admonish the sinner. Even if someone says something or does something that looks bad but didn't mean it in that way, someone needs to speak out because many others will take it the wrong way. And when a guy like Francis refuses to clarify what he means he's bringing it on himself. I do realize we must try to refrain from judging the person and merely judge the word or action in question. The problem is, the hierarchy are suppose to be judging what's right and wrong. When they refuse to do so, like today, we feel that we must do it for them. At least that's how I feel. I feel like I have to constantly explain to others especially my family why something a bishop or the pope said or did is wrong. It's tuff because the average Joe is more likely to listen to the hierarchy than a lay person, which would normally be a good thing but times are crazy. What a mess lol. Again, thanks for posting. There does need to be a balance.

    St. Francis de Sales in his book "Introduction to the Devout life," when talking about hasty judgement and slander mentioned the following:
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    Public, notorious sinners may be spoken of freely, provided always even then that a spirit of charity and compassion prevail, and that you do not speak of them with arrogance or presumption, or as though you took pleasure in the fall of others. To do this is the sure sign of a mean ungenerous mind. And, of course, you must speak freely in condemnation of the professed enemies of God and His Church, heretics and schismatics,—it is true charity to point out the wolf wheresoever he creeps in among the flock.

    By Catholic principles, we must hold to the meaning of any "ambiguous" statement, and the burden of proof, especially in the case of "religious," is upon them. Given the current situation, I would consider those who still think Bergoglio to be just "material heretic" but somehow "Catholic" in the interior forum to be either bearing false witnesses or do not know what they're talking about.

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    Re: Kind interpretations
    « Reply #6 on: September 09, 2022, 01:01:12 PM »
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  • Being kind and charitable is not the same thing as being naive.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Kind interpretations
    « Reply #7 on: September 09, 2022, 06:41:28 PM »
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  • Would this be another way of saying we should give others the benefit of the doubt?


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    Re: Kind interpretations
    « Reply #8 on: September 09, 2022, 07:12:57 PM »
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  • Would this be another way of saying we should give others the benefit of the doubt?
    Of course.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Kind interpretations
    « Reply #9 on: September 09, 2022, 09:36:40 PM »
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  • To give benefit of the doubt only applies in situations where one is in doubt.  If we are in doubt, we suspend a harsh judgment-- this is only just. Imagine if courts did not extend the benefit of the doubt.

    So yes, giving benefit of doubt is part of interpreting others kindly. I think there's more to it than that, though. We also must learn to judge when we are compelled to draw conclusions about other people's character, and when we are not. We must learn to seek what is good, and that especially includes seeking the good in other people-- rather than trying to uncover the bad. We should spend more time seeking to excuse than to condemn. 

    In the Mass, we pray that God not judge us according to our offenses; but we cannot expect him to do this if we are unable to do the same for our neighbor.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Kind interpretations
    « Reply #10 on: September 09, 2022, 09:43:29 PM »
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  • So yes, giving benefit of doubt is part of interpreting others kindly. I think there's more to it than that, though. We also must learn to judge when we are compelled to draw conclusions about other people's character, and when we are not. We must learn to seek what is good, and that especially includes seeking the good in other people-- rather than trying to uncover the bad. We should spend more time seeking to excuse than to condemn.
    You're getting to the heart of it. God looks for any reason to excuse our sins, as long as we are contrite and repent of them. We too, in imitation of Him, need to do the same with our neighbors.

    I think too many people equate "kindness" with the modern notion of "niceness", which, in my estimation, is nothing more than flattery. Kindness is carrying out an act in order to soften a hardened heart through goodness and sweetness; therefore, by the way Fr. Faber describes it, bringing others to emulate such kindness, and by this, come to the practice of the true Faith. It's meekness and humility in action. Fr. Faber states:
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    If they would add a little common kindness to their uncommon graces, they would convert ten where they now only abate the prejudices of one.

    "Being nice" is merely offering some flattering words and gestures to make one feel good, rather than want to be good. You can be extremely proud and vain and still be "nice" to people.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Kind interpretations
    « Reply #11 on: September 10, 2022, 12:22:22 AM »
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  • "Being nice" is merely offering some flattering words and gestures to make one feel good, rather than want to be good. You can be extremely proud and vain and still be "nice" to people.

    Bishop Williamson always pronounced it "nitheness".  Indeed, niceness can often be motivated by human respect, where someone might be nice so that others won't dislike them rather than out of consideration for others and charity.  Charity does not equate with niceness.  Sometimes charity requires being harsh or direct or blunt ... and hurting someone's feelings.

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    Re: Kind interpretations
    « Reply #12 on: September 12, 2022, 05:13:26 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson always pronounced it "nitheness".  Indeed, niceness can often be motivated by human respect, where someone might be nice so that others won't dislike them rather than out of consideration for others and charity.  Charity does not equate with niceness.  Sometimes charity requires being harsh or direct or blunt ... and hurting someone's feelings.

    Perhaps, but to that point Fr. Faber states the following, which, to me, brings a very specific duo to mind in tradland:
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    Our Lord’s words in the Gospels should be our models. If we may reverently say it, when we consider of what a sententious and proverbial character His words were, it is remarkable how little of epigram, or sharpness, there is in them. Of course the words of the Eternal Word are all of them heavenly mysteries, each one with the light and seal of His Divinity upon it. At the same time they are also examples to us.
    -p. 39

    A kind-worded man is a genial man; and geniality is power. Nothing sets wrong right so soon as geniality. There are a thousand things to be reformed, and no reformation succeeds unless it be genial. No one was ever corrected by a sarcasm; crushed perhaps, if the sarcasm was clever enough,—but drawn never to God, never. Men want to advocate changes, it may be in politics, or in science, or in philosophy, or in literature, or perhaps in the working of the Church. They give lectures, they write books, they start reviews, they found schools to propagate their views, they coalesce in associations, they collect money, they move reforms in public meetings, and all to further their peculiar ideas. They are unsuccessful. From being unsuccessful themselves they become unsympathetic with others. From this comes narrowness of mind. Their very talents are deteriorated. The next step is to be snappish, then bitter, then eccentric, then rude. After that, they abuse people for not taking their advice; and, last of all, their impotence, like that of all angry prophets, ends in the shrillness of a scream. Why they scream is not so obvious. Perhaps for their own relief. It is the phrenzy of the disregarded sibyl. All this comes of their not being genial. Without geniality no solid reform was ever made yet. But if there are a thousand things to reform in the world, there are tens of thousands of people to convert. Satire will not convert men. Hell threatened very kindly is more persuasive than a biting truth about a man’s false position. The fact is, geniality is the best controversy. The genial man is the only successful man. Nothing can be done for God without geniality. More plans fail for the want of that than for the want of anything else. A genial man is both an apostle and an evangelist; an apostle, because he brings men to Christ; an evangelist, because he portrays Christ to men.
    -p.42-43.

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Kind interpretations
    « Reply #13 on: September 13, 2022, 01:06:28 AM »
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  • Perhaps, but to that point Fr. Faber states the following, which, to me, brings a very specific duo to mind in tradland:

    Well, they have actually taken a softer and kinder tone of late ... a very welcome development.