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Infinite holy water hack?
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  • Hello, everybody:

    Can you add natural water to holy water and the whole amount retain the blessing? Can you keep on doing that "as long as there is no moral connection"  between successive additions of natural water?

    I think I heard that in one of MHT seminary's livestreams, but I'm not sure. 

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    Re: Infinite holy water hack?
    « Reply #1 on: Today at 10:41:30 AM »
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  • What I do know is that there is an indulgence when you bless yourself with holy water. Yet I do see people going into Mass and coming out without blessing themselves with the holy water in the entrance font.


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    Re: Infinite holy water hack?
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  • What I do know is that there is an indulgence when you bless yourself with holy water. Yet I do see people going into Mass and coming out without blessing themselves with the holy water in the entrance font.
    This is what +Lefebvre would say: " I can't understand why people bless themselves with Holy Water when leaving a church! You bless yourself BEFORE entering the nave to purify yourself because it is a holy space'..

    Also drives satan away.. '  Think "Asperges me..." before Sunday mass.
      At least two priests relayed that attitude to me. Makes sense. Also when 1000's are leaving a church , it creates disorder if everyone is dipping their hand in the Holy Water fount...colliding with others who are exiting in earnest, rapidly!!  Now that's a practical advice from our Founder.

    Make sure you throw out any holy water on the Sacred Triduum -  Good Friday.  That would restrict your "Infinite" term. Water does corrupt naturally. Easter water is most powerful they say.
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    https://adoremus.org/2007/12/holy-water-lent-and-triduum/

    "...The response reaffirmed the traditional practice that the holy water font is empty only during the Sacred Triduum (Holy Thursday, Good Friday, Holy Saturday) in preparation for the blessing of new water during the Easter Vigil..."

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    Re: Infinite holy water hack?
    « Reply #3 on: Today at 12:59:28 PM »
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  • You can ask MHT directly through their website.  
    But I see nothing wrong with blessing yourself on the way in and the way out!
    So far as I know, it’s always beneficial to bless oneself, others, or even objects, with Holy Water provided you do so with the right intention. 

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    Re: Infinite holy water hack?
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  • Hello, everybody:

    Can you add natural water to holy water and the whole amount retain the blessing? Can you keep on doing that "as long as there is no moral connection"  between successive additions of natural water?

    I think I heard that in one of MHT seminary's livestreams, but I'm not sure.

    May Our Lady keep you under her mantle!

    I think I read somewhere that you can do that, as long as the amount of water added is less than that of the "original" holy water.

    I'm not sure if you can keep doing that ad infinitum, that would end up being a kind of "homeopathic holy water".  Jone might have something to say, I'll look it up.


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    Re: Infinite holy water hack?
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  • "homeopathic holy water"
    :incense::laugh1::laugh2: 💦 

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    Re: Infinite holy water hack?
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  • Both Jone and McHugh/Callan are silent on the subject.  Moral theology might not be the best place for look for something such as that, but Jone covers a lot of things that, strictly speaking, aren't moral theology, such as matter for validity of the sacraments.

    There is this quote I found from Aquinas:

    “just as water added to holy-water becomes holy” (STh., III q.77 a.8 obj. 3; cf. q.66 a4 resp.)

    ...but that doesn't directly address the matter of subsequent applications of lesser amounts of unblessed water to greater amounts of holy water.

    Except in case of necessity, though, why would anyone want to do this?  Water blessed in toto by a priest is readily available under normal circuмstances.

    I wasn't able to find any pre-Vatican II sources that refer to repeated applications of unblessed water to water that has been made holy, and I'm not going with post-conciliar sources that may be in accord with traditional practice, or may not be.

    As to +ABL's comment about people blessing themselves with holy water upon leaving the nave, all I can say, is that I didn't think there was ever a "wrong" time to use holy water.

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    Re: Infinite holy water hack?
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  • I will refill a bottle with less than an equivalent of what's left only once before getting fresh 100% holy water. 
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    Re: Infinite holy water hack?
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  • You can ask MHT directly through their website. 
    But I see nothing wrong with blessing yourself on the way in and the way out!
    So far as I know, it’s always beneficial to bless oneself, others, or even objects, with Holy Water provided you do so with the right intention.

    I think you ment only a priest can impart a blessing in the strict sense. When we use holy water, we are not blessing by our own power, but invoking the blessing the Church has already placed in it. Parents may rightly use it over their children and home, since they have authority there, but always as an extension of the Church’s sacramental, never as their own act.

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    Re: Infinite holy water hack?
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  • Holy Water carries a blessing and an indulgence.
    Holy Water  remits venial sins.

    We are to be detached even from venial sins to gain any indulgence when we pray.

    Holy Water fonts are placed at each entrance of a church to remit venial sins (purify us) before entering into the presence of God, and to be used at our exit to bless us on our journey.

    The custom of Holy Water fonts, especially at the entrances of our homes, is probably one of the oldest customs/traditions of the church.  The first Christians started it as a carryover from the Mazuzah of their previous Jєωιѕн faith. 
    Catholics bless themselves before leaving the house and sprinkl Holy Water on their beds before retiring

    Catholics before Vat II had fonts at each entrance to their homes and in each bedroom.
    Catholic schools had fonts at the entrance of EACH CLASSROOM, and children blessed themselves entering and exiting the classroom every time.

    When reaching for the Water a prayer is whispered, "By this Holy Water and Thy most Precious Blood wash away my sins O Lord, in the name of the Father etc"
    Also, after blessing oneself with Holy Water, the excess on the fingers is flicked toward the ground/floor and one prayed, "for the Poor Souls in Purgatory"
    Many saints have relayed that Holy Water is very beneficial for the Poor Souls, that's why we sprinkle it on graves when visiting the cemetery.
    I watched an old black and white movie a couple months ago and the scene was a man entering a church and he did flick the excess Water on the floor.

    Below are a couple excerpts from the Ecclesiastical Dictionary 1900 Pg 709.

    "The use of holy water is an act of piety instituted by the Church, common among the Faithfull, and employed in all religious ceremonies.  Holy water is used to drive away all that is evil and impure, and to draw down divine aid upon us, whether for the good of our soul or body."

    ""is beneficial to the bodies and souls of those who make use of it, and the banishment of what is foul and corrupt."

    "We also know that holy water avails to procure the remission of sins, if those who employ it are rightly disposed.  It is a customary practice to make the sign of the cross with holy water on entering or quitting a church;  and at home in illness, temptation, or danger;  a practice we should ever keep up in a spirit of faith and penitence, that we may derive, there from, all the salutary effect it meant to produce"

    "The Church endeavors to address her children at the very threshold of the tabernacle, and to exhort them to understand, by the water which she holds out to them, that they must bring purity and cleanness of heart to the sanctuary"

    Unfortunately, today we know more about what is happening in the world than we know about the customs of our faith.


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    Re: Infinite holy water hack?
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  • Thank you for your replies.

    IIRC I've heard from Fr. Bitzer in one of his sermons that one should not bless oneself on the way out of Holy Mass. His reasoning was that every gesture in Church and during the Sacred Liturgy must be deliberate  and with a definite purpose. Since the purpose of blessing oneself is to purify oneself for Mass and the Mass itself should erase venial sins given the right dispositions, it doesn't make sense to bless oneself after Mass. Something along those lines.

    About what Twice Dyed posted: Would throwing away the fountain water on Holy Friday also apply to one's supply for "private use"?
    My personal posture: Paul VI and his successors lack(ed) papal authority. NO orders must be considered invalid. As of Sept. 2025, I have grave reservations towards virtually all traditionalist groups (sede or not). Therefore, I take back everything that I've said in favor of this or that group or bishop. Quotations or references are not necessarily endorsements. BOD/BOB would only apply to those with explicit faith in the Trinity and the Incarnation. ¡Viva Jesús! ¡Viva María!