We had better hurry up and look at what the Mennonites do then as far as helping one another and helping their older teen boys be employed or start their own business.

One thing I don't get about the stigma about being poor/admiring job success is so often moving up or just maintaining your job requires sin. Everything from fornication or adultery with a man or joining in the gossip clique with women or just appearing more worldly.

It really depends on what kind of person you are, regardless of social class standing.

I know small-business owners who are the nicest people you can ever meet, and then I know people who make my income who brag about looking at pornography and brag about promuscuity.

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Social stigma or not, it's a very bad thing for trads to start depending on the government.

We had better hurry up and look at what the Mennonites do then as far as helping one another and helping their older teen boys be employed or start their own business.

One thing I don't get about the stigma about being poor/admiring job success is so often moving up or just maintaining your job requires sin. Everything from fornication or adultery with a man or joining in the gossip clique with women or just appearing more worldly.

We could do far worse than looking at Mennonites or Amish for that.  

I missed it, do you mean they aren't a good example?

I think this is related to the topic and I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I think it's a lot harder and hence much more undesirable, than it used to be to be "poor," since our ethnic/racial neighborhoods have been broken up (of course, that's not the only reason, but I think it is a big one).  They blame freeways and cars for the flight to suburbia and "exurbia," but I think the real driving force was "white flight."  In any case, it has made it a lot more expensive, than it used to be to live in a decent, clean and safe neighborhood.  Hence, I think, creating a greater social stigma for poverty, particularly among "whites."  That may have something to do with the negative attitude towards welfare recipients, particularly those who are white.  

There also appears to be some hardening class lines among whites, that I don't think were as noticeable in the past.  Of course, that's probably because the middle class is shrinking and there's some resentment there and some gloating.  

Why hate welfare?  It's a great opportunity to parasitize the Leviathan and bleed it dry.  How else can we put down the beast?  The more we drain from the government, the better...at this point.  Wasn't always like this, but it is now.  

How high is that?  Who decides the amount?

Some jobs are not meant to be held by grown men.  Working at McDonalds or blowing leaves and weeding is not work for a man but for a boy.  That is unskilled labor and a person should not expect much pay for unskilled labor.

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The business should be encouraged by the government to pay a higher wage, which would include enough for a man and his family to live comfortably.

People also wonder why there is this call for universal health care when businesses have cut a worker's benefits which includes his health care benefits. I think it should be pretty obvious.

Why hate welfare?  It's a great opportunity to parasitize the Leviathan and bleed it dry.  How else can we put down the beast?  The more we drain from the government, the better...at this point.  Wasn't always like this, but it is now.  

You cannot bleed it dry since it can print its own blood.  Since it spends the blood first, it suffers the least from inflation.

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Are you going to give him 20K for tuition and another 12K to live off for x 2 years? Make sure you find a circle willing to give him a job once he finishes?

I am sure according to ggreg manual labor is not a "worthy skill."