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Offline Nick

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Re: Gender segregation in church
« Reply #60 on: September 02, 2018, 07:52:02 PM »
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  • It's largely irrelevant as to whether or not an interesting topic is started by a troll.
    It is if the troll was actually S.J. himself. Wonder if this post will be deleted as well ? 

    Offline JezusDeKoning

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #61 on: September 02, 2018, 08:04:29 PM »
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  • It is if the troll was actually S.J. himself. Wonder if this post will be deleted as well ?
    Certainly not out of the question, especially when the screen name is Jewier than Jєωιѕн and almost troll-like,


    Offline BTNYC

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #62 on: September 03, 2018, 02:41:30 AM »
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  • The question of segregation of the faithful in churches and chapels by sex is a perfectly legitimate one (and that's what it is, by the way - sex. Persons have a sex; Pronouns - and sometimes nouns - have a gender. Ascribing "gender" to persons is a first step down the pernicious road of modern "gender theory" fag-madness). And, for the record, I favor a return to the Traditional practice, and personally practice it myself (I sit with my sons on the Epistle side of the church, while my wife and daughter sit on the Gospel side).

    But when a brand new forum member shows up and his first post is a new thread focusing on what could be perceived as a "hot button" issue which has the potential to be misconstrued to make trads look bad, one can't help but smell the stench of a troll. When that brand new forum member has a username of transliterated Hebrew, with actual Hebrew characters in his signature, one can hardly be faulted for suspecting yet another instance of a JIDF ringmaster cracking the whip while the dumb goyische-kopfs jump obediently through the hoops.

    As for the Hebrew language, it's never held the mystique for me that it does for many. Perhaps it's because I grew up hearing my grandfather's native Maltese regularly spoken - an actual living Semitic tongue - that Hebrew - a reconstructed "zombie" Semitic tongue - didn't particularly impress itself on me as "exotic" or "authentic" or whatever else it appeals to in those who fetishize it. I tend to see it as I do the various Temple implements, or the Temple itself: an aspect of Israelite culture which God utilized to make Himself known to His once chosen people. And which, upon their calling the Blood of God the Son down upon themselves as a curse, God saw fit to take from that perfidious race, and tear down as He did the Temple itself. Not for nothing, I think, is Hebrew not counted among any of the Church's traditional liturgical languages. Likewise, the Hebrew manuscripts of the Old Testament books that St. Jerome had access to, and made use of in his work on the Vulgate, are now lost to the ages, such that Latin and Koine Greek remain infinitely more valuable to a Catholic scholar of scripture than Hebrew, whose cachet in the 20th - 21st centuries among Christians is attributable more to the faddish philo-Semitic primitivism that that was so prevalent among Catholic scholars in the postwar years (and which resulted, in its more malignant form, in stuff like "Blessed are you, Lord God of all Creation, through Your goodness, we have this bread to offer; fruit of the earth, work of human hands..." etc.).

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #63 on: September 03, 2018, 06:48:39 AM »
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  • That's a good point about the use of "sex" and "gender." I've never heard that before. And it's good to see you posting again.

    Trollish Judaizers aren't much of a threat.

    The insidious Judaizers are considered respected members. This is the case on all the trad Cath forums I've belonged.

    I also wonder if Catholic forum administrators knowingly or unknowingly allow Judaizers to flourish on their forums. Probably the latter, as they're often Judaized themselves. I no longer call out Judaizers much anymore because I realize that most people simply don't care, and the ones who do are almost always men, and even then they're a minority. It's easy for me to understand why the Church is in eclipse. In times when Catholics were more Catholic they were very anti-Jєωιѕн. Most trads are Judaized.

    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #64 on: September 03, 2018, 09:11:49 AM »
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  • The insidious Judaizers are considered respected members. This is the case on all the trad Cath forums I've belonged.

    I also wonder if Catholic forum administrators knowingly or unknowingly allow Judaizers to flourish on their forums. Probably the latter, as they're often Judaized themselves. I no longer call out Judaizers much anymore because I realize that most people simply don't care, and the ones who do are almost always men, and even then they're a minority. It's easy for me to understand why the Church is in eclipse. In times when Catholics were more Catholic they were very anti-Jєωιѕн. Most trads are Judaized.


    I don't know what your problem is, but CathInfo has approximately 0 "Judaizers". I am well educated in Jєωιѕн perfidy myself and I see Judaizers coming (and other errors: feminism, liberalism, modernism, Puritanism, archaeologism, anti-Trad movement, etc.) from a mile away. They don't last long here.
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #65 on: September 04, 2018, 01:29:15 AM »
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  • Yes Copts and all oriental orthodox have the sexes separately on one side or the other. Having experienced liturgy with the sexes separate, I can say no distraction is more glaring then when some mother has to drag her son/daughter over to the men's side for discipline etc. I swear that men from the front row will instinctively know it is happening and turn around.
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #66 on: September 04, 2018, 02:25:35 AM »
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  • Yes Copts and all oriental orthodox have the sexes separately on one side or the other. Having experienced liturgy with the sexes separate, I can say no distraction is more glaring then when some mother has to drag her son/daughter over to the men's side for discipline etc. I swear that men from the front row will instinctively know it is happening and turn around.
    How embarrassing.
    Lord have mercy.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #67 on: September 04, 2018, 03:14:13 AM »
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  • The SSPX would never have the guts to be so.....traditional.  The femi-trads would be outraged, and the sissified men would not withstand their strident women who wear the pants (literally).

    The Church agrees:

    1917 Code of Canon Law (Canon 1262.1):

    "Conformable to ancient discipline, it is desirable that the women be separarted from the men in church."
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    Point of fact: The SSPX has girls on the left and boys on the right at Masses with schoolchildren present. 
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    When I go to such a Mass, as a man I always take my place on the right side behind the shoolboys, in the front pews. 
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    It's a bit disappointing for me to see women and girls on the right side behind the boys; they ought to be on the left side.
     
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #68 on: September 04, 2018, 11:36:16 AM »
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  • I don't know what your problem is, but CathInfo has approximately 0 "Judaizers". I am well educated in Jєωιѕн perfidy myself and I see Judaizers coming (and other errors: feminism, liberalism, modernism, Puritanism, archaeologism, anti-Trad movement, etc.) from a mile away. They don't last long here.

    You don't think poche is Judaized? I assumed you had him around for activity, not because you don't think he's a Judaizer.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

    Offline JezusDeKoning

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #69 on: September 04, 2018, 11:52:19 AM »
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  • Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a "Judaizer" in the rum definition of the word? Normally, it meant Christians who adopted Jєωιѕн practices of the Old Law, like Messianic Jews.

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #70 on: September 04, 2018, 01:55:14 PM »
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  • This thread is stupid.


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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #71 on: September 04, 2018, 03:10:30 PM »
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  • Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is a "Judaizer" in the rum definition of the word? Normally, it meant Christians who adopted Jєωιѕн practices of the Old Law, like Messianic Jews.
    Colloquially the meaning has been extended to anyone who spreads Jєωιѕн lies/ideologies, like ecuмenism, zionism, etc. 

    Offline JezusDeKoning

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #72 on: September 04, 2018, 03:34:58 PM »
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  • Colloquially the meaning has been extended to anyone who spreads Jєωιѕн lies/ideologies, like ecuмenism, zionism, etc.
    Ah, thanks.

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #73 on: September 04, 2018, 06:51:40 PM »
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  • I have never heard anyone imply that separating the sexes in church is a good idea, though I know separation of sexes is part of some cultures.
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    For example, when I worked on an aboriginal mission, the women sat on the floor on one side and the men sat on the floor on the other side. That didn't prevent them seeing each other. It had nothing to do with carnal temptation though. Just a continuation of what is part of the culture.
    The Syro-Malabar Rite/Church does segregation, and I imagine other Eastern Rites/Churches still do this as well.
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #74 on: September 05, 2018, 02:28:51 AM »
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  • Not at the Malabar church  I attended Saturday. 
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