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Offline Avraham Ben Yehuda

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Gender segregation in church
« on: September 01, 2018, 03:59:37 PM »
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  • Hello all,

    What is the consensus among traditionalists about segregated seating in church? Although I find that women generally dress modestly at the Tridentine mass, there is still carnal temptation in looking at the face of a woman or hearing a feminine voice. Both of these seem to be working against the sanctity and holiness of the mass. Segregated seating would reduce distraction caused by the opposite sex. I believe men and women were also separated in the temple.

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #1 on: September 01, 2018, 04:11:21 PM »
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  • I believe that the seating in Church should be based entirely on the family. 


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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #2 on: September 01, 2018, 04:24:24 PM »
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  • That name is interesting... What's your background, if you don't mind me asking?

    But no, families should sit together at Mass. 
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #3 on: September 01, 2018, 04:28:48 PM »
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  • Do you really believe it is appropriate for a woman to be near a man in a holy place? 

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #4 on: September 01, 2018, 04:29:17 PM »
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  • I have never heard anyone imply that separating the sexes in church is a good idea, though I know separation of sexes is part of some cultures. 
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    For example, when I worked on an aboriginal mission, the women sat on the floor on one side and the men sat on the floor on the other side. That didn't prevent them seeing each other. It had nothing to do with carnal temptation though. Just a continuation of what is part of the culture.


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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #5 on: September 01, 2018, 04:32:13 PM »
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  • Do you really believe it is appropriate for a woman to be near a man in a holy place?
    Of course it is. Is not marriage holy? What is unholy about men and women being in close proximity? What is your cultural background, Avraham?

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    « Reply #6 on: September 01, 2018, 04:32:39 PM »
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  • St. Cyril of Jerusalem, St. Augustine, and St. John Chrysostom supported separate seating.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 01, 2018, 04:35:27 PM »
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  • When a woman is in close proximity to a man, she distracts him from everything. A man seeing the face of a woman causes carnal desire which ruins the sanctity of a church.


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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #8 on: September 01, 2018, 04:46:03 PM »
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  • I would be in favor of sex-segregation in Churches with the women and young children on one side and the men on the other. If that is possible. As a man I know that women can be very distracting to men, especially if they are young or beautiful. I believe this has been the custom some times and some places but I don't know the history of it.
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #9 on: September 01, 2018, 04:58:44 PM »
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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #10 on: September 01, 2018, 05:12:18 PM »
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  • Hello all,

    What is the consensus among traditionalists about segregated seating in church? Although I find that women generally dress modestly at the Tridentine mass, there is still carnal temptation in looking at the face of a woman or hearing a feminine voice. Both of these seem to be working against the sanctity and holiness of the mass. Segregated seating would reduce distraction caused by the opposite sex. I believe men and women were also separated in the temple.
    Hello,

    What do you believe is appropriate and modest dress for women in the church?
    What would be appropriate and modest dress for women in public places? Should they also cover their hair?
    Do you believe that if women sing in the choir then men can be tempted?

    Would these two dresses be considered modest in church as well as outside of church?



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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #11 on: September 01, 2018, 05:40:52 PM »
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  • Maria Regina, the question is unrelated to women's dress, but rather to their very presence.


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    When a woman is in close proximity to a man, she distracts him from everything. A man seeing the face of a woman causes carnal desire which ruins the sanctity of a church.
    Avraham, why are you looking at women's faces during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Keep your mind focused on the holiness of the Mass rather than on the appearance of women. You need to learn custody of the eyes. You need also to own your own sin and not project it onto the woman.

    Go and talk to a priest about your problem.

    Again, what is your cultural/religious background? 

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
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  • Hello,

    What do you believe is appropriate and modest dress for women in the church?
    What would be appropriate and modest dress for women in public places? Should they also cover their hair?
    Do you believe that if women sing in the choir then men can be tempted?

    Would these two dresses be considered modest in church as well as outside of church?





    I find those images provocative. I did not expect something like this in a traditional forum. Ideally a woman would wear dark dresses, white draws too much attention to a woman's face and is worn by prideful women. Head covering should be mandatory for all women at all times to protect men from lust. Regarding women singing in a choir, the fact that Pope St. Pius X banned the practice should be reason enough to forbid it.

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #13 on: September 01, 2018, 05:49:18 PM »
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  • Maria Regina, the question is unrelated to women's dress, but rather to their very presence.

    Avraham, why are you looking at women's faces during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Keep your mind focused on the holiness of the Mass rather than on the appearance of women. You need to learn custody of the eyes. You need also to own your own sin and not project it onto the woman.

    Go and talk to a priest about your problem.

    Again, what is your cultural/religious background?
    Where did I say that I look at women's faces during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass? I said that it is best to prevent such a problem from happening. I try to look down whenever I see a woman, I am tempted to wear a blindfold when I go out in public but it is not practical.

    Why do I need to tell you about my background? I do not allow women to hold authority over me.

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    Re: Gender segregation in church
    « Reply #14 on: September 01, 2018, 05:57:17 PM »
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  • Sounds like you are new to tradition.

    At a TLM you only see the backs of people.  There's no turning around for the sign of peace etc. like at the Novus Ordo.

    At a TLM the only opportunity you have to see a beautiful woman is when she's returning from Holy Communion if you are still in the pew.  Whether you've already received or are about to, YOU SHOULD NOT BE GAWKING AROUND !!!!!!!  It's called guarding your senses.  Your mind should be on the Holy Sacrifice.

    We're not trying to have authority over you.  Your asked, "What is the consensus among traditionalists"
    Well, we're traditionalist and we're telling you.

    It appears you have a severe problem controlling your eyes

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