You must be speaking of IVF, which many Catholics don't even understand.

So...If Catholics don't understand it, then it doesn't matter - never happened

Go back and read the whole thread. I already laid this all out in black and white.

Its EVEN WORSE in the moral order then just straight up dismemberment.



Pay attention here:



I have said nothing that is not factually true.

He is a great promoter of slaying innocent life among his many other PUBLIC crimes and now we can add (at the very least material), heresy of denying the Incarnation to the list as well.

Neither his, nor any other person's ignorance in this matter is any excuse - it is all right there for them to learn if they cared. Actually Raymond Arroyo (EWTN) tried to clue him into the teaching with what was the most pathetic attempt at public correction I have ever witnessed at that Cardinals dinner, but Trump just looked at him like he was from outer space and said, "I didn't know that." Then he went on to claim to expand it more than any other President anyway.

But again, we really could not expect anything more from a man of his caliber, morals, doctrine, background, outlook, etc. He is just another cog in their machine.

Now, "trad" Catholics being unable to detect CRYSTAL CLEAR HERESY in the second paragraph of his supposed honoring the Immaculate Conception and then subsequently going on to put their feet in their mouths expressing how "B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L,  amazing, how lovely, etc." is where the real sham is because;

A) They should have caught the error staring them RIGHT IN THE FACE and said something - (like NCR did).

B) They should not expect the praises of God's Mother to come from the unfitting lips of nonbelievers who sanction the slaying of millions of human lives every year and so many other PUBLIC crimes and sins.

C) And lastly, any simple acknowledgment of this error (concerning A or B) would suffice - but the pharisees out themselves with their abject hatred and contempt for correction. 

I have said this all ad naseum above already, but then I saw your thread and I figured, "maybe here is someone who can actually learn something." So I thought it worth a shot.

He is a great promoter of slaying innocent life among his many other PUBLIC crimes and now we can add (at the very least material), heresy of denying the Incarnation to the list as well.

B) They should not expect the praises of God's Mother to come from the unfitting lips of nonbelievers who sanction the slaying of millions of human lives every year and so many other PUBLIC crimes and sins.

It makes perfect sense that Trump and/or his administration would believe that God became man at Our Lord's Birth, precisely because they are A-OK with IVF (murder) and leaving abortion (murder) "up to the states".

If God became man at the Incarnation..well, that means life begins at conception..and that means IVF is murder

It makes perfect sense that Trump and/or his administration would believe that God became man at Our Lord's Birth, precisely because they are A-OK with IVF (murder) and leaving abortion (murder) "up to the states".

If God became man at the Incarnation..well, that means life begins at conception..and that means IVF is murder

And guess what religious group also shares that same Birth = Personhood belief?

From Gemini AI:

In the тαℓмυdic and broader Jєωιѕн legal tradition, the status of life is viewed as a gradual development rather than a single moment of "personhood" at conception. While the fetus is highly valued as potential life, it does not achieve the legal status of a full "person" (nefesh) until birth.

The тαℓмυdic perspective generally breaks down into three distinct stages:

1. The First 40 Days: "Mere Water"

From conception until the 40th day of gestation, the тαℓмυd (specifically in Yevamot 69b) describes the embryo as maya b’alma, which translates to "mere water" or "mere fluid." During this initial period:

• The embryo is not considered to have any independent status or human form.
• In legal terms regarding inheritance or ritual purity, it is treated as though it does not yet exist as a distinct entity.

2. 40 Days to Birth: "A Part of the Mother"

After the 40th day and until the moment of birth, the fetus is considered a "potential life." However, it is legally defined as ubar yerech immo—literally, "the thigh of its mother."

Part of the Body: The fetus is considered an integral part of the pregnant person's body, similar to an organ, rather than a separate person.

Prioritizing the Mother: Because the fetus is "potential life" and the mother is an "existing life," Jєωιѕн law (Halakha) mandates that if the mother's life or health is at risk, her life takes absolute precedence.


3. Birth: The Beginning of Personhood

According to the Mishnah (Ohalot 7:6), full personhood (nefesh) is established only at the moment of birth.

The Threshold: The тαℓмυd defines this moment as when the "greater part" of the body (or the head) emerges from the birth canal.

The "First Breath": Many commentators link this to the "breath of life" mentioned in Genesis, suggesting that the soul (neshamah) fully enters the body with the first independent breath.

Legal Equality: Only after this point is the baby considered a separate person with legal rights equal to the mother. At this stage, one life cannot be set aside for another.

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Summary Table: Status of Life in the тαℓмυd

Stage	тαℓмυdic Term	Status
0–40 Days	Maya b’alma	"Mere water"; no formal status.
40 Days to Birth	Ubar yerech immo	Part of the mother's body; potential life.
Emergence (Birth)	Nefesh	Full human personhood and legal rights.

Note on Viability: Historically, the тαℓмυd also mentions a 30-day period after birth where a child is not considered fully "viable" (ben kayama) until they have survived a month, though modern Jєωιѕн law treats newborns as full persons from the moment of birth due to advances in medical care.

And guess what religious group also shares that same Birth = Personhood belief?

From Gemini AI:

In the тαℓмυdic and broader Jєωιѕн legal tradition, the status of life is viewed as a gradual development rather than a single moment of "personhood" at conception. While the fetus is highly valued as potential life, it does not achieve the legal status of a full "person" (nefesh) until birth.

The тαℓмυdic perspective generally breaks down into three distinct stages:

1. The First 40 Days: "Mere Water"

From conception until the 40th day of gestation, the тαℓмυd (specifically in Yevamot 69b) describes the embryo as maya b’alma, which translates to "mere water" or "mere fluid." During this initial period:

• The embryo is not considered to have any independent status or human form.
• In legal terms regarding inheritance or ritual purity, it is treated as though it does not yet exist as a distinct entity.

2. 40 Days to Birth: "A Part of the Mother"

After the 40th day and until the moment of birth, the fetus is considered a "potential life." However, it is legally defined as ubar yerech immo—literally, "the thigh of its mother."

Part of the Body: The fetus is considered an integral part of the pregnant person's body, similar to an organ, rather than a separate person.

Prioritizing the Mother: Because the fetus is "potential life" and the mother is an "existing life," Jєωιѕн law (Halakha) mandates that if the mother's life or health is at risk, her life takes absolute precedence.


3. Birth: The Beginning of Personhood

According to the Mishnah (Ohalot 7:6), full personhood (nefesh) is established only at the moment of birth.

The Threshold: The тαℓмυd defines this moment as when the "greater part" of the body (or the head) emerges from the birth canal.

The "First Breath": Many commentators link this to the "breath of life" mentioned in Genesis, suggesting that the soul (neshamah) fully enters the body with the first independent breath.

Legal Equality: Only after this point is the baby considered a separate person with legal rights equal to the mother. At this stage, one life cannot be set aside for another.

---

Summary Table: Status of Life in the тαℓмυd

Stage	тαℓмυdic Term	Status
0–40 Days	Maya b’alma	"Mere water"; no formal status.
40 Days to Birth	Ubar yerech immo	Part of the mother's body; potential life.
Emergence (Birth)	Nefesh	Full human personhood and legal rights.

Quite right! Jєωιѕн groups have actually said that banning abortion (child murder/sacrifice) violates their "religious freedom". They are honest at times 

Cera;  Trump deverted the funds from planned parenthood to susan b. Anthony, which is not pro-life.  Susan b. Anthony is for contraceptives and the abortion pill is in definition a contraceptive (emergency). They are for sterilization.  Title X funds are also going to crisis centers.  IUDs and such are abortifacients.

Trump is not pro-life.  Catholic charities that is not being touched by trump is abortion and alphabet perverts.  

Just rerouted funds.  no changes