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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
« Reply #180 on: April 27, 2023, 11:45:00 AM »
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  • I recall the bishop telling us that Fr. Hewko did attend a priest meeting at the bishop's residence/Retreat house and did obtain the oils. But that was a onetime event for Fr. Hewko as he resumed criticizing the Bishops of the Resistance all priests friendly to them.

    What year would that have been?

    Incidentally, one priest sends me a message that +Zendejas gave holy oils to Fr. Hewko last year.  If that is true, the integrity of the oils would likely still be OK.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline Mr G

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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #181 on: April 27, 2023, 12:04:13 PM »
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  • What year would that have been?

    Incidentally, one priest sends me a message that +Zendejas gave holy oils to Fr. Hewko last year.  If that is true, the integrity of the oils would likely still be OK.
    I thought it was more than a year ago. Seems like it was before the COVID craze. Maybe something more recent happened since then, but was not made known to us.


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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #182 on: April 27, 2023, 05:56:35 PM »
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  • I think enough has been shared here to show that traditional Latin rite priests today cannot validly confirm

     Just a note on whether or not some priests have fresh oils or not.  Even if  a priest does not work directly with a bishop, often the traditional bishop will give Holy Oils to reputable clergy. They might not see everything eye to eye, but, for the good of souls, they want the baptised, and even more so, the dying, to have whatever Holy Mother Church could give them.  No one can be everywhere.

     I know  that at least in the recent past  Recognise and Resist Bishops have given Holy Oils to known sedevacantist priests.

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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #183 on: April 27, 2023, 07:04:36 PM »
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  • Somehow I skipped over this post earlier, pulled from the Summa. This evidence produced from pope Eusebius suggests that it is indeed by divine law (rather than ecclesiastical) that the priestly power to confirm is latent and restricted.


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    On the contrary, Pope Eusebius (Ep. iii ad Ep. Tusc.) says: "The sacrament of the imposition of the hand should be held in great veneration, and can be given by none but the high priests. Nor is it related or known to have been conferred in apostolic times by others than the apostles themselves; nor can it ever be either licitly or validly performed by others than those who stand in their place. And if anyone presume to do otherwise, it must be considered null and void; nor will such a thing ever be counted among the sacraments of the Church." Therefore it is essential to this sacrament, which is called "the sacrament of the imposition of the hand," that it be given by a bishop.

    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

    Offline JimPlato

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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #184 on: May 03, 2023, 12:01:10 PM »
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  • Here we are again discussing yet another priest attempting to confect an invalid sacrament. Why? Their logic seems to be this:

    1. There’s a state of emergency! (Ignoring the fact that there’s a difference between a state of emergency and a crisis);
    2. In such a state the Church supplies! (Ignoring that the supplementary principle will only supply jurisdiction);
    3. Therefore we’re free to do whatever we want! (Ignoring the ‘mark’ of the Church: Unity of Communion i.e. whatever is done must be a last resort after every other avenue has been tried).

    Mithrandylan has pretty much explained everything and readers would be well advised to steer clear of these “confirmations”.

    A few other points:

    1. The Church has yet to define what power is delegated by the pope. It could be one of order, or jurisdiction, or some order/jurisdiction hybrid, or some third unknown power. However the supplementary principle will only supply power of jurisdiction;
    2. The supplementary principle will only supply a power that the holder of an office would legitimately exercise. So, power to confirm would never be supplied to a parish priest since the pastor is trying to arrogate to himself powers greater than those which the Code confers upon pastors. Miaskiewicz explains this (“Supplied Jurisdiction according to Canon 209”, p.229);
    3. If a delegated power of the pope can be supplied then why not the delegated power to ordain? There are at least three instances in medieval time where three different popes have delegated power to simple priests to order to both the diaconate and priesthood. So why doesn’t Fr. Arrizaga start arrogating the power to ordain for the same reasons?


    So here we are again. Invalid ministers (e.g. the invalid consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer by Webster and those ordained by them). Invalid juridical acts (e.g. a simple priest erecting a Third Order - that power belongs to a bishop). Invalid sacraments (Bishop Ambrose Moran-Dolgorouky allowed to celebrate Mass and hear confessions and Fr. Arrizaga’s invalid confirmations) and no doubt invalid Masses. You have been warned.


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    Re: Fr. Raphael Arrizaga Begins Administering Confirmations?
    « Reply #185 on: May 03, 2023, 12:06:33 PM »
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  • Here we are again discussing yet another priest attempting to confect an invalid sacrament. Why? Their logic seems to be this:

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    2. In such a state the Church supplies! (Ignoring that the supplementary principle will only supply jurisdiction);

    #2 is precisely the part Fr. Arrizaga doesn't understand.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."