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Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
« on: May 04, 2021, 02:44:43 AM »
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  • Here is an interesting exercise, an objective measurement on the state of Catholic Tradition, in particular the FUTURE PROSPECTS for Tradition.

    What kind of legacies are in store for the various families at your chapel? What families will disappear? (e.g., Baby Boomer couple who rediscovered Tradition in the 90's, highly fervent and involved at chapel, but their 3 kids all left the Faith thanks to Public School, Crisis in the Church, Novus Ordo upbringing, etc.)

    Write down or mentally note 5, 10 (or more) prominent Traditional Catholics in your life. At your local Trad chapel, if you have one.
    The more you "know them" especially his/her family and children, the better.

    Now ask yourself, where will that family be in 40 years? Does he have a son that will be better than him, about the same, or worse, from a Traditional Catholic morality, truth, and Catholic culture perspective? The same for women. Does she have a daughter who could easily "become her" with the passage of years? Would the replacement be better, the same, or worse than the original?

    The man who leads the Rosary before Mass at your chapel -- does he have a son who is likely to take the job when his father no longer can? The man in charge of the altar servers -- is his son knowledgeable and/or interested in serving at the altar? Could you see him running the altar server department someday? Or the man who volunteers tons of time to maintain, fix up, and improve the chapel -- does he have any children who would do so much as install a new doorknob after their father is gone? The man who leads the schola/choir -- does he have a son in the choir?

    Or volunteering in general! For the prominent volunteers at your chapel (that elite 5% who do 100% of the work that needs to be done), are their children on-board such that they will take over whatever volunteer jobs their parents were doing someday? Or do they barely attend Mass themselves?

    But it's not just chapel volunteering. What about that prominent couple with 10 kids? You know, the one with the mother who had really rough pregnancies for the last few (such as months of bed rest, severe constant nausea, etc.) Do you see any of their teens practicing the heroism and tenacity necessary to raise a family of 10 children of their own someday? Or did that couple manage somehow by the skin of their teeth, but perhaps they let a bit too much of the world in as they raised their 10 children, and now their children (who had much worse companions and influences than they had) will never be inclined or able to do what their parents did.
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    Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
    « Reply #1 on: May 04, 2021, 02:54:09 AM »
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  • NOTE: I'm not saying that every man needs a son to follow in his exact footsteps, not even in matters of church volunteering. For example, it would be an IMPROVEMENT for a man, whatever great stuff he was doing for God and the Church, to have a son who becomes a priest, obviously. So a man who ran a Trad Catholic book publisher employing 100 would be "better than replaced" if his son went to the Seminary and became a priest.

    Or, the man in charge of altar server training would be doing well if his sons ended up volunteering in other areas instead. In fact, if he had 2 sons and one became Treasurer and the other started leading the Rosary, I'd say that family "improved" in the next generation, because you have 2 fervent, active members instead of just 1.

    I just wanted to clarify that. My point in this exercise is to get people thinking: what kind of Trads are the next generation? Are they just as fervent in the Faith? Do they truly measure up to their parents, or even exceed them? Or are they slowly declining with each generation.

    Obviously the math is pretty simple for calculating the Outlook for Tradition: take 50 families, and if 5 will be "improved", 10 "about the same" and 35 "somewhat worse", that doesn't bode well for Tradition.
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    Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
    « Reply #2 on: May 04, 2021, 05:48:43 AM »
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  • I see tradition as a whole getting worse.  Too much tv and cell phones.  Some of the next generation who just completed radical liberal college got worse spiritually.  Some left the Catholic Church altogether.  Why bother to home school and then feed throw them to wolves?  

    At one chapel in our area, it was older people who ran the chapel and led the Rosary.  Their adult children either didn’t go to any church or were novus Ordo.  Once in a while, they would baby sit the grandchildren and bring them to Mass.  There were young people who would travel far to attend Mass there. 



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    Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
    « Reply #3 on: May 04, 2021, 07:49:58 AM »
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  • This generation born in the 1980's into the turn of the century have been thoroughly brainwashed by Marxist ideology. They see
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    Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
    « Reply #4 on: May 04, 2021, 08:43:48 AM »
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  • It's always been said that the younger generation is worse than the older since time immemorial, but in these days of the Great Apostasy I think it's certainly true. And it'll continue to be that way until the end of the Crisis IMO.


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    Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
    « Reply #5 on: May 04, 2021, 10:17:09 AM »
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  • It's always been said that the younger generation is worse than the older since time immemorial, but in these days of the Great Apostasy I think it's certainly true. And it'll continue to be that way until the end of the Crisis IMO.
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    Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
    « Reply #6 on: May 04, 2021, 11:53:24 AM »
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  • Looking at a chapel I used to attend, (I’ve been staying home alone since CÖVÌD forced me into exile miles from any traditional mass.), I don’t give it much chance of still being in existence in 15-20 years or less.  There are several large families, but children gradually leave as they come of age, mostly by marrying from novus ordo or conservative Protestants.  The reason for this is obvious.  The large families are all related, most of the young people are cousins.  The average age of a member is approximately in the mid to late 50s, with no marriageable children.  There are many “individual” members, either married to non-Catholics, the only traditionalist in their family, or single and for various reasons never going to marry or have children.  There are also numerous women with a few children, either “single” or divorced, who cannot homeschool or lack total control over their children, shared custody. There’s a lack of community.  More people than not drive 50+ miles one way, cannot homeschool or have no choice but public school.  The area where the chapel is located is not conducive to young families settling nearby.  It’s extremely expensive.  A family making under six figures won’t make it.  That means either two full-time working parents, someone already established with family support, or a man with an unusually lucrative job.  It’s not a rural area so people can’t make up for food expenses by having large gardens and raising animals, or, say, burning wood for heat.  

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    Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
    « Reply #7 on: May 04, 2021, 10:00:08 PM »
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  • Wow, it's pretty bleak where you guys are at. My SSPX parish is full of young men and women, as well as children and elderly, and the place is packed every Sunday. The only crushingly bleak point of the trad life for me is praying for the conversion of my wife and her obstinacy against me rearing our kids in the Faith (I'm a convert from Atheism, it's been a big change for us). Thankfully, my daughter very much likes Our Lady, so there's hope yet.
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    Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
    « Reply #8 on: May 05, 2021, 12:14:07 AM »
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  • A similar thought-exercise:

    How many multi-generational families at your chapel? Since a young couple with a kid or two is "too easy", let's define multi-generational as 3 GENERATIONS OR MORE. After all, in 2021 most people live into their 60's at least, right? It should be quite commonplace to live to see your grandchildren, if not great-grandchildren. Right?

    But even though Tradition is NOT a new thing, Trad chapels have been around for decades, how many chapels have large extended families attending? You know, a couple has a large family, then each of their children get married, and the ones who stay in town continue to go to that chapel -- with their kids. This shouldn't be too much to ask; I know the SSPX (which is 80-90% of Tradition) had a real low point in the mid-80's, so few chapels in the USA go back that far, but by the 90's things were building up again.
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    Re: Exercise - is next generation better, same or worse?
    « Reply #9 on: May 05, 2021, 03:29:21 AM »
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  • Multigenerational families in a chapel?  Again, I’ll answer for a chapel I no longer attend.  What comes to mind are three large families, two of whom had one or more grandparents living with them.  The fathers in two families were brothers were brothers who lived about 70 miles apart with the chapel approximately half way.  One of the families alternated between the SSPX chapel and an indult mass closer to home.  This was due to having a seriously ill child who could sometimes make the short trip, but the longer trip, rarely, so one parent or the other would stay home from the SSPX.  The elders of the founding families, mostly large, but without extended family, began dying off in the late 90s and today, there are maybe three or four widows/widowers left.  Their children mostly left either having lost or never acquired the faith, (small number), in order to marry because there was literally nobody to marry in the chapel, (a few went to St. Mary’s, some back to novus ordo, some to conservative Protestants, a few to no religion), and the bulk of them, no matter their spiritual status, left the area because it was simply too expensive for a young couple to get established.  Having grown up there myself, I left and didn’t return although single because I couldn’t support myself.  

     


     

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