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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #175 on: June 27, 2018, 10:13:20 AM »
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There is no reason a wife should not get 50% of what is jointly theirs,
That would be a fair judgment.  The problem we're trying to avoid is the civil divorce process, whereby woman are NORMALLY awarded MUCH MORE THAN 50%.  Any judgement in favor of the woman where she get's more than 50% is unjust and a prenup would help (but not guarantee) fairness.  That's all i'm asking for.
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Further, the children are his and he has a moral obligation to support them.
If the wife receives 50% then that is part of his support.  She doesn't get 50% + child support.  That's unfair and what a prenup is supposed to avoid.

If he wishes to help out his children more in the future (which I'm sure he would want to, regardless of most of your rash judgements to the contrary) he has the freedom to do so AS HE PLEASES, WHEN HE PLEASES, and in the manner HE CHOOSES.  It's none of the damn court's/state's business.

And he can buy things DIRECTLY for his children, not be forced to give $ to his wife, who can then spend it on anything she wants.  (Do the courts monitor child support payments and make sure the wife uses the $ ONLY for the children?  Of course not, that would be anti-woman because we MUST trust her to do the right thing ALWAYS, especially when it comes to the children because she's a "loving" person and above reproach....even though she left her husband for frivolous reasons and has inflicted untold psychological damage on the children due to her selfishness...)

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #176 on: June 27, 2018, 11:41:32 AM »
I'd also like to point out the similarities in philosophy between a prenup and the TRADITIONAL nuptial blessing.  (If you want to read the true blessing vs new-rome's modernist/feminist verion, you can here:  https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/feminism-and-the-nuptial-blessing/)

The point is, when the idea of a prenup was brought up with the purpose of protecting men from theft, to ensure a fair divorce and (in some cases) to prevent divorce altogether, the responses were similar to the following:

"Oh, you need to just trust your wife.  A prenup says you don't trust her."
"If you pray to God for a good spouse, you won't have to worry."
"A prenup is a preparation for a divorce and it shows you're not committed for life."

Is that so?  Is that what a prenup says to you?  Because the idea behind one is pretty similar to the Church's message/prayer FOR THE WIFE after the marriage, AND DURING THE ACTUAL MASS.  The Church is basically saying, "Hey you just got married and we're in the middle of this mass for you, which is filled with graces, but We still think you, oh newly wed wife, need an EXTRA reminder to keep the faith, be faithful and watch out for the devil's deceits.

I guess the Church "doesn't trust the wife".
I guess the Church is wrong for "worrying about the wife" since the couple just went to mass.
I guess the Church should see that the Nuptial Blessing "presupposes a divorce, or problems" in the marriage.

A prenup is just an extension of the ideals contained in the Nuptial Blessing.


Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #177 on: June 27, 2018, 11:43:20 AM »
All of you can argue that a prenup would be pointless but you’d be ignoring reality and the fact that a good lawyer, who has experience in family court, can do a LOT to minimize the damage of false accusations and protect you from theft. 
If prenups were all that effective, there wouldn't be a MGTOW movement.  Men wouldn't be giving up on marriage to this extent if it were simple to avoid the injustice of the system.

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« Reply #178 on: June 27, 2018, 11:49:28 AM »
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If prenups were all that effective, there wouldn't be a MGTOW movement. 
I'm not an expert on this movement but I do know it's more complex than you make it out to be.  Some of the men in the movement are tired of DATING; they're tired of dealing with feminist women, period.  They're not even thinking about marrige/divorce, because they can't even find a decent woman who wants to go to dinner, (who isn't selfish, self-absorbed, emotionally unstable and with a "disney complex" view of who their prince charming should be and what they "deserve").

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #179 on: June 27, 2018, 12:57:59 PM »
That would be a fair judgment.  The problem we're trying to avoid is the civil divorce process, whereby woman are NORMALLY awarded MUCH MORE THAN 50%.  Any judgement in favor of the woman where she get's more than 50% is unjust and a prenup would help (but not guarantee) fairness.  That's all i'm asking for.If the wife receives 50% then that is part of his support.  She doesn't get 50% + child support.  That's unfair and what a prenup is supposed to avoid.

If he wishes to help out his children more in the future (which I'm sure he would want to, regardless of most of your rash judgements to the contrary) he has the freedom to do so AS HE PLEASES, WHEN HE PLEASES, and in the manner HE CHOOSES.  It's none of the damn court's/state's business.

And he can buy things DIRECTLY for his children, not be forced to give $ to his wife, who can then spend it on anything she wants.  (Do the courts monitor child support payments and make sure the wife uses the $ ONLY for the children?  Of course not, that would be anti-woman because we MUST trust her to do the right thing ALWAYS, especially when it comes to the children because she's a "loving" person and above reproach....even though she left her husband for frivolous reasons and has inflicted untold psychological damage on the children due to her selfishness...)
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In my experiences here in TX, women get awarded much LESS than 50%.  If she is abused and leaves the house, the court awards the house to the husband because she abandoned the house...  the 50% divides the assests since the marriage began.  It has nothing to do with the children.
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Regarding the children... If she is the primary caretaker of the children, and she earns less than the father (which is usually the case)  she most certainly SHOULD get child support from the father.  She should not have to support their children alone.  It is his moral duty to support his children.  It is not an option for him to choose.
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It IS the courts business only because there are so many men who don't fulfill their moral obligation to their children.  It is the result of a godless society.
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You act as though the child support from the husband is more than enough to pay for everything for his children with some left over for the mother to spend how she chooses.  This is not how it works.  Here in TX, the court determines how much, in their opinion, it takes to rear the children.  The father pays HALF that.  So the mother has to come up with the other half.
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In some cases the father is awarded primary custody and the wife, if she makes more than the husband, has to pay child support.  It works both ways.
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If either left and divorced for frivolous reasons, God will sort it out and the punishments will be severe.
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Best to know as much as you can about a future spouse and not get led around by feelings.