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Offline AlligatorDicax

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Uneducated single women/Re: College is usually NOT worth it
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2019, 01:31:36 PM »
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  • [...] what if a daughter neither marries nor becomes a nun?   Will she be able to support herself?   It’s just something to keep in mind if Our Lord tarries and she outlives you.  I bring it up because a single woman without an education who is alone in the world has a very difficult time of it. 

    No problem: Just prepare for the worst, while praying for the best, by earning a Ph.D. in planetary science [].  It seems likely that for decades to come, affirmative action will provide substantial advantages to comparable women during their careers in many engineering & scientific fields.


    The temptation, even pressure to have to compromise or make a bad marriage is intense.   

    Catholic marriage is not guaranteed to be a permanent solution for uneducated women: Even educated Catholic wives can become suddenly "alone in the world" by being unexpectedly dumped by their Catholic husbands, without any ecclesiastical formalities.  Whatever the husband's excuse, how much practical difference would it make to the faithful wife?  Altho' I suppose that civil-divorce law will catch up with such wretched examples of husbands, holding such men to court-decreed alimony or child-support obligations can be a struggle, especially across state borders.

    Obviously, these risks are not limited to uneducated single women, but the impacts to them would be more severe.  Educated single women who've earned unmarketable degrees [×] might not fare much better.

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    Note ×: E.g., B.A. in psychology or (probably) sociology.

    Offline Mr G

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #16 on: August 27, 2019, 02:20:37 PM »
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  • Good luck finding any job outside of garbage man, religious vocation, mailman, and construction worker without a college degree. If you plan on raising a big Catholic family you have to have the funds via a good job.

    To the people saying that college will turn them liberal: do you not see the world we live in? Just teach them to ignore it like they do the other bs that we have to live with in the modern world.
    Constructions workers, especially contractors, make good money and the Catholic ones I know of usually are willing to mentor young men in the trade.
    My MBA did not land me any jobs for years, but it did get me interviews, but what the employers wanted was related work experience. It was only fellow TradCats that took the chance on me and from that came the experience. 

    As the years went by and I observed the hiring process of fellow employees and took part in interviewing applicants myself, and I see that the degrees did not mean much, other that you have enough self discipline to earn a degree. What seemed to matter was your personality fit with the employer; your work experience, the credibility of your references as perceived by the employer - who you know.


    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #17 on: August 27, 2019, 02:39:02 PM »
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  • I agree. College is a racket.  

    There are people out there with only 8th grade education and they have their own businesses.  Pre school and kindergarten is a waste of time and tax payer money. 
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #18 on: August 27, 2019, 02:48:47 PM »
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  • I agree. College is a racket.  
    GM went bankrupt in 2009 - for about 15 or so years prior, with very, very few exceptions, they only hired college degreed individuals of color. It was policy to hire unqualified minorities over qualified whites and I will tell you, that place went to the dogs well before I got out of there, it only took a few more years for all that ignorance to finally bankrupt them.

    That's how good college is. :facepalm:
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #19 on: August 27, 2019, 02:50:55 PM »
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  • As the years went by and I observed the hiring process of fellow employees and took part in interviewing applicants myself, and I see that the degrees did not mean much, other that you have enough self discipline to earn a degree. What seemed to matter was your personality fit with the employer; your work experience, the credibility of your references as perceived by the employer - who you know.

    Yes, I've actually hired computer programmers for my company who did not have degrees (based on the criteria you cite), and I practically bragged about how some of the best we had lacked degrees.  I took classes in Computer Science in the 1990s.  Those are worth ABSOLUTELY NOTHING now.  Technology changes so quickly, that the aptitude for it and the ability to learn quickly matter more than being able to regurgitate some details that anyone can find on Google.  Also, of your average 40-45 classes that you would take in college, no more than 10 of them are in your major field of study, with the rest being filler core they make you take just so the Jewry can drain a little more from your wallet.


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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #20 on: August 27, 2019, 02:52:32 PM »
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  • Interesting comments!  
    Put me in the category of single woman thrust into the world to sink or swim at 18; actually left at age 17.  I worked myself through school for five years to get the two pieces of paper that allow me to teach in my state, NY.  (It used to be in 1981 that a NY certification was golden just about anywhere.  No more!). The papers I earned back then are not even technically valid in NY.  I’ve been out of public education since 1983.  I used to have a small nest egg for retirement and a rainy day.  2008 + too many rainy days have whittled it down to about $17,500 and $290 month in Soc. Sec.  I have to work until I drop, which could potentially be soon.  My health is only so-so, but I’m ineligible for SSD.  So I pray either Our Lord keeps me going or He takes me out.  If not, then I become a bag lady, in which case I won’t last long.  The way I see it, my job is mainly to keep the faith as best I can without Mass or Sacraments and trust in Our Lady’s promise not to abandon those consecrated to Her.  Maybe the Chastisement will strike and I won’t need to be concerned with any of this.  I did what I could with what I knew at the time.  
    College?  It actually had the opposite effect on me as the liberals intended.  I endured 10 years of liberal B.S. in public school, very liberal from grades 6-12, since the school was run by Columbia University in NY.  I couldn’t wait to go off to college away from the city.  When I got there, it was the same thing, only on the middle school level of liberalism as the local students’ parents wouldn’t put up with the open Communism espoused in my high school.  My first move was off campus, into a fire-trap apartment.  I separated my life into everything else and classes.  The campus was a place I went only for the necessary classes.  Everything else had nothing to do with college, jobs, social, church (wasn’t Catholic- was checking out Protestantism because the true religion had been kept from me.),activities, etc.  
    College?  Who knows.  Maybe all it did in my case was to send me on a 25 year search for the faith.  If so, it served God’s purpose despite the evil intent of those in charge.  Marriage?  I NEVER felt called.  Had I lived in a different era, I’m very sure Id have become either a teaching or missionary sister.  The calling was never realized because Vat. II hid the faith from me and closed off the convents and religious orders.  I think my vocation is to amount to nothing; to serve as a visible sign and indictment of the shepherds to care for the sheep.

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #21 on: August 27, 2019, 03:14:29 PM »
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  • Regardless of whether it is "worth it" financially, I'm not even sure it is morally permissible.

    When I went to college, the course content for the general education credit requirements (i.e., liberal arts taught by atheistic Jew professors 50% of the time) was often blasphemous and heretical, and in testing, you would often be required to reaffirm such.

    For example, I recall in a class called "Western Civilization Until 1648" (or some such title), the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ freemasonic professor glorified firstly the Lutheran revolt ("He said what people had been thinking for centuries!"), then the French Revolution.  We were required to read Candide by Francis-Mary Arouet.

    It was not possible to critique or challenge the professor's presentation.

    Your grade was dependent upon the degree to which you could faithfully regurgitate the sophistries you had been spoon fed.

    Deviations from the received view "demonstrated" a failure to grasp course material.

    Had I been a faithful Catholic in those days, I never could have gotten the grades that I did.

    Today I would flunk those courses, because I would lambast what those professors were teaching.

    But had I been a faithful Catholic in those days, my faith would certainly have been challenged on a daily basis.

    I'm not sure we are allowed to knowingly place our faith in that kind of danger, and I am also not confident an 18 year-old Catholic who will be wowed by his "incredibly intelligent" professors, will be able to withstand their sophistries.  He simply won't have had the time to study his faith (or history) enough by that age.

    People often say to me, "Well, what if I want to become a lawyer?"

    My response is always, "What is more important to you: Maintaining your faith, or becomming a lawyer?"

    To which they always respond: "Are you trying to tell me God doesn't want any Catholic lawyers, or doctors, etc?"

    To which I always respond: "God may give some the grace to withstand/resist their indoctrination, yes, and if your priest agrees that it is your calling to become a lawyer, well, that's between him, you, and God.  But if you are doing this of your own accord (which will be the case in 90% of the cases: Whoever asks their priest about their vocations, except in the case of religious or priestly vocations?  They all think that if they want to be something else, that is their own business.  WRONG!), you are likely acting according to your own will against the will of God, who would not want to plunge you into a dangerous environment woefully underprepared.  Besides, God can always convert the doctors and lawyers he needs."
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    STUDENT LOANS usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #22 on: August 27, 2019, 03:50:39 PM »
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  • This video is based on the assumption that those going to college take out loans to do so. That's true for 69% of the class of 2018.

    Thomas Aquinas College makes top 10 lists for least amount of student debt ($16,986, with 15% having no debt).
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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #23 on: August 27, 2019, 03:56:37 PM »
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  • Also, there are tons of online schools. The internet is making brick-and-mortar colleges obsolete.
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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #24 on: August 27, 2019, 03:56:41 PM »
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  • Sean, another thing I learned from liberals was how to write a lot and say nothing at all, or, rather, to write ambiguously so as to make the stupid reader believe it agrees with his mistaken beliefs.  It worked particularly well with poly sci. professors!  Write in the third person so that the errors aren’t yours and you never agree with them.

    One needn’t swallow the vomit.  Just scoop it up, stir it around, pour it in a fancy glass and hand it back to the prof.

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #25 on: August 27, 2019, 05:28:12 PM »
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  • I agree that a woman should have a way to earn money if she never gets married or becomes a nun.

    But that is one thing and sending your daughter away to college its very different.
     
    Daughters should be protected by their parents. Im a woman and I was exposed to dangerous situations at college. Only God's grace saved me and I didnt turn a whore, a party girl, raped, single mom, etc.

    College are dangerous places to naive young women.


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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #26 on: August 27, 2019, 05:31:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lardislaus

    Of course, now that I'm also losing the hair on top of my head, I'll probably be even MORE inclined to keep the beard.  From the back I look like I've been tonsured (in the religious order fashion).  Perhaps I need to order a zucchetto.





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    My wife has never seen me without the beard (I've had it since we met), and I'm somewhat concerned that she would really not like the way I look without it.


    Your insecurity is unbecoming of a real man, and your wife smells it from a mile away.

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #27 on: August 27, 2019, 05:35:50 PM »
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  • Here we go again.

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #28 on: August 27, 2019, 08:28:15 PM »
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  • Good luck finding any job outside of garbage man, religious vocation, mailman, and construction worker without a college degree. If you plan on raising a big Catholic family you have to have the funds via a good job.

    To the people saying that college will turn them liberal: do you not see the world we live in? Just teach them to ignore it like they do the other bs that we have to live with in the modern world.
    My husband never went to college, and owns a very successful plumbing company. He does very well for himself.

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    Re: College is usually NOT worth it
    « Reply #29 on: August 27, 2019, 08:44:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lardislaus

    Of course, now that I'm also losing the hair on top of my head, I'll probably be even MORE inclined to keep the beard.  From the back I look like I've been tonsured (in the religious order fashion).  Perhaps I need to order a zucchetto.





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    Your insecurity is unbecoming of a real man, and your wife smells it from a mile away.

    Glycogen (aka Croix) fails to recognize that these comments were made largely tongue-in-cheek on a thread about beards and facial hair ... as evidenced by my joke about the zucchetto.  I was poking fun at myself for losing my hair.