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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Matthew on August 26, 2019, 06:16:32 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIyMXNeT16o
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I did not get a chance to watch the video but we that is my husband and I have already made the decision that unless our children need college for example to become a doctor or something of the sort we will not endorse it because it pushes liberal theology a definite causes a loss of faith. We highly advocate for our boys to learn trades or start their own business and hope to give them an inheritance of land so they will not have to fend for themselves and give in to the modern city life just to make a living. And as for our girls they too can learn a skill that they can make money with until they get married or enter the convent whichever God chooses for them...sounds a bit old school but we believe this is the way God intended it to be.
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I did not get a chance to watch the video but we that is my husband and I have already made the decision that unless our children need college for example to become a doctor or something of the sort we will not endorse it because it pushes liberal theology a definite causes a loss of faith. We highly advocate for our boys to learn trades or start their own business and hope to give them an inheritance of land so they will not have to fend for themselves and give in to the modern city life just to make a living. And as for our girls they too can learn a skill that they can make money with until they get married or enter the convent whichever God chooses for them...sounds a bit old school but we believe this is the way God intended it to be.
Basically agree, but what if a daughter neither marries nor becomes a nun? Will she be able to support herself? It’s just something to keep in mind if Our Lord tarries and she outlives you. I bring it up because a single woman without an education who is alone in the world has a very difficult time of it. The temptation, even pressure to have to compromise or make a bad marriage is intense.
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Basically agree, but what if a daughter neither marries nor becomes a nun? Will she be able to support herself? It’s just something to keep in mind if Our Lord tarries and she outlives you. I bring it up because a single woman without an education who is alone in the world has a very difficult time of it. The temptation, even pressure to have to compromise or make a bad marriage is intense.
Yes, this is certainly a valid concern for sure, yet sending one's child away to college these days is most definitely not the answer and might well be at least a venial sin, perhaps mortal if you already know just how terribly bad college is these days yet help fund or approve of your child going away to college anyway. Submersing your child into a world where every kind of immorality is glorified and designed to be sought after 24/7 must be avoided no matter what. I think we can all pretty much agree on this.
I think the video had sound advise.
For those that a college degree is a necessity for the field they want to enter, find another field and do something else or attend a trade school for your degree - it's not the end of the world and if there even are regrets later in life, so what. Better to live with insignificant regrets than to send your child into live within the halls of hell. No?
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Good luck finding any job outside of garbage man, religious vocation, mailman, and construction worker without a college degree. If you plan on raising a big Catholic family you have to have the funds via a good job.
To the people saying that college will turn them liberal: do you not see the world we live in? Just teach them to ignore it like they do the other bs that we have to live with in the modern world.
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Good luck finding any job outside of garbage man, religious vocation, mailman, and construction worker without a college degree. If you plan on raising a big Catholic family you have to have the funds via a good job.
To the people saying that college will turn them liberal: do you not see the world we live in? Just teach them to ignore it like they do the other bs that we have to live with in the modern world.
There are plenty making close to or well over $100k/year, never having gone to college. It might take a while depending on the field - just as it would with a degree - but to make a great income that can support a large family comfortably, most people have zero need of going to college to achieve that goal, they just need to work.
You are likely accustomed to seeing the filth so that it does not strike you as being as hideous as it is, at least not as much as it would if you were not so conditioned to it. But to see what comes out of today's "higher education" is like watching them bring down the wrath of God upon themselves - and us. It seems like no trad should even want anything whatsoever to do with that whole scene.
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There are plenty making close to or well over $100k/year, never having gone to college. It might take a while depending on the field - just as it would with a degree - but to make a great income that can support a large family comfortably, most people have zero need of going to college to achieve that goal, they just need to work.
I agree. I have family members without college degrees who worked up to that range in the trades ... auto mechanic, electrical/plumbing, and manufacturing. It takes a bit longer, but they also get a 4-year head start where they could be learning their trade instead of going to college.
Let's say that a student lives at home and is able to put away the entirety of a $10/hour income. He could put away roughly $65K after taxes in 4 years (with no bills). Then take the $40K minimum (at a state college) that he did NOT spend. That is a $105K swing before the college grad who has worked a single day. Plus the non-college student has a 4-year head start.
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I agree. I have family members without college degrees who worked up to that range in the trades ... auto mechanic, electrical/plumbing, and manufacturing. It takes a bit longer, but they also get a 4-year head start where they could be learning their trade instead of going to college.
Let's say that a student lives at home and is able to put away the entirety of a $10/hour income. He could put away roughly $65K after taxes in 4 years (with no bills). Then take the $40K minimum (at a state college) that he did NOT spend. That is a $105K swing before the college grad who has worked a single day. Plus the non-college student has a 4-year head start.
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Yes, this is certainly a valid concern for sure, yet sending one's child away to college these days is most definitely not the answer and might well be at least a venial sin, perhaps mortal if you already know just how terribly bad college is these days yet help fund or approve of your child going away to college anyway. Submersing your child into a world where every kind of immorality is glorified and designed to be sought after 24/7 must be avoided no matter what. I think we can all pretty much agree on this.
I think the video had sound advise.
For those that a college degree is a necessity for the field they want to enter, find another field and do something else or attend a trade school for your degree - it's not the end of the world and if there even are regrets later in life, so what. Better to live with insignificant regrets than to send your child into live within the halls of hell. No?
We need college degrees, as much as we need trades. You cannot expect someone to only exist in a bubble of other Catholics — that's not possible in today's time.
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We need college degrees, as much as we need trades. You cannot expect someone to only exist in a bubble of other Catholics — that's not possible in today's time.
I disagree. A man should go where he is not tempted - that means no going away to college. Find a field you enjoy and that pays well and doesn't require college - it might mean striking out a few times, but it's out there, that much is certain.
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I disagree. A man should go where he is not tempted - that means no going away to college. Find a field you enjoy and that pays well and doesn't require college - it might mean striking out a few times, but it's out there, that much is certain.
If we as a whole reject college, then we would abandon whole fields such as the field of medicine or law to the devil's spawn. Unless the schools force one to commit sins to get a degree, I think it would be good to have traditional Catholics in these fields. I wish I knew of good traditional Catholic doctors in Babylon where I live. I do not know enough to know which schools are safe and which ones try to force sin upon their students.
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If we as a whole reject college, then we would abandon whole fields such as the field of medicine or law to the devil's spawn. Unless the schools force one to commit sins to get a degree, I think it would be good to have traditional Catholics in these fields. I wish I knew of good traditional Catholic doctors in Babylon where I live. I do not know enough to know which schools are safe and which ones try to force sin upon their students.
There are plenty of others who don't know any better, who go to get their degree and end up as very good doctors, lawyers and whatever, so never worry about "if we as a whole reject college".
The correct thinking is this; Every single person on earth should wholly condemn and reject college for the evil that it is and the evil that it does, and until they teach truth and reject all immorality. What would these colleges have to do then?
As it is, no, college is usually not worth it.
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At least 95% of college degrees are worthless. In fact, they're a negative value because they cause you to go into financial debt and, also, a spiritual, mental & intellectual debt.
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College is a Jew racket.
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One way to use the Jew system against itself is to take out as many credit cards as you can possess, and charge your tuition, fees, etc to your cards. Since, by Jєωιѕн design, you can't declare bankruptcy on your student loans, you can escape the Jew tentacles by declaring bankruptcy on credit cards, plus you get the degree you so earnestly wanted. In 10 years or so, your credit score will be back to normal, and who really cares about a Jew credit score anyway? Why play into the Jew matrix? Don't be a player. Simply save your money, live minimalist, and live for Jesus Christ !
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[...] what if a daughter neither marries nor becomes a nun? Will she be able to support herself? It’s just something to keep in mind if Our Lord tarries and she outlives you. I bring it up because a single woman without an education who is alone in the world has a very difficult time of it.
No problem: Just prepare for the worst, while praying for the best, by earning a Ph.D. in planetary science [★]. It seems likely that for decades to come, affirmative action will provide substantial advantages to comparable women during their careers in many engineering & scientific fields.
The temptation, even pressure to have to compromise or make a bad marriage is intense.
Catholic marriage is not guaranteed to be a permanent solution for uneducated women: Even educated Catholic wives can become suddenly "alone in the world" by being unexpectedly dumped by their Catholic husbands, without any ecclesiastical formalities. Whatever the husband's excuse, how much practical difference would it make to the faithful wife? Altho' I suppose that civil-divorce law will catch up with such wretched examples of husbands, holding such men to court-decreed alimony or child-support obligations can be a struggle, especially across state borders.
Obviously, these risks are not limited to uneducated single women, but the impacts to them would be more severe. Educated single women who've earned unmarketable degrees [×] might not fare much better.
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Note ★: <https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/stuck-up-nasa-babe-shuns-suitor-trying-to-be-funny/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/stuck-up-nasa-babe-shuns-suitor-trying-to-be-funny/)>.
Note ×: E.g., B.A. in psychology or (probably) sociology.
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Good luck finding any job outside of garbage man, religious vocation, mailman, and construction worker without a college degree. If you plan on raising a big Catholic family you have to have the funds via a good job.
To the people saying that college will turn them liberal: do you not see the world we live in? Just teach them to ignore it like they do the other bs that we have to live with in the modern world.
Constructions workers, especially contractors, make good money and the Catholic ones I know of usually are willing to mentor young men in the trade.
My MBA did not land me any jobs for years, but it did get me interviews, but what the employers wanted was related work experience. It was only fellow TradCats that took the chance on me and from that came the experience.
As the years went by and I observed the hiring process of fellow employees and took part in interviewing applicants myself, and I see that the degrees did not mean much, other that you have enough self discipline to earn a degree. What seemed to matter was your personality fit with the employer; your work experience, the credibility of your references as perceived by the employer - who you know.
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I agree. College is a racket.
There are people out there with only 8th grade education and they have their own businesses. Pre school and kindergarten is a waste of time and tax payer money.
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I agree. College is a racket.
GM went bankrupt in 2009 - for about 15 or so years prior, with very, very few exceptions, they only hired college degreed individuals of color. It was policy to hire unqualified minorities over qualified whites and I will tell you, that place went to the dogs well before I got out of there, it only took a few more years for all that ignorance to finally bankrupt them.
That's how good college is. :facepalm:
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As the years went by and I observed the hiring process of fellow employees and took part in interviewing applicants myself, and I see that the degrees did not mean much, other that you have enough self discipline to earn a degree. What seemed to matter was your personality fit with the employer; your work experience, the credibility of your references as perceived by the employer - who you know.
Yes, I've actually hired computer programmers for my company who did not have degrees (based on the criteria you cite), and I practically bragged about how some of the best we had lacked degrees. I took classes in Computer Science in the 1990s. Those are worth ABSOLUTELY NOTHING now. Technology changes so quickly, that the aptitude for it and the ability to learn quickly matter more than being able to regurgitate some details that anyone can find on Google. Also, of your average 40-45 classes that you would take in college, no more than 10 of them are in your major field of study, with the rest being filler core they make you take just so the Jewry can drain a little more from your wallet.
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Interesting comments!
Put me in the category of single woman thrust into the world to sink or swim at 18; actually left at age 17. I worked myself through school for five years to get the two pieces of paper that allow me to teach in my state, NY. (It used to be in 1981 that a NY certification was golden just about anywhere. No more!). The papers I earned back then are not even technically valid in NY. I’ve been out of public education since 1983. I used to have a small nest egg for retirement and a rainy day. 2008 + too many rainy days have whittled it down to about $17,500 and $290 month in Soc. Sec. I have to work until I drop, which could potentially be soon. My health is only so-so, but I’m ineligible for SSD. So I pray either Our Lord keeps me going or He takes me out. If not, then I become a bag lady, in which case I won’t last long. The way I see it, my job is mainly to keep the faith as best I can without Mass or Sacraments and trust in Our Lady’s promise not to abandon those consecrated to Her. Maybe the Chastisement will strike and I won’t need to be concerned with any of this. I did what I could with what I knew at the time.
College? It actually had the opposite effect on me as the liberals intended. I endured 10 years of liberal B.S. in public school, very liberal from grades 6-12, since the school was run by Columbia University in NY. I couldn’t wait to go off to college away from the city. When I got there, it was the same thing, only on the middle school level of liberalism as the local students’ parents wouldn’t put up with the open Communism espoused in my high school. My first move was off campus, into a fire-trap apartment. I separated my life into everything else and classes. The campus was a place I went only for the necessary classes. Everything else had nothing to do with college, jobs, social, church (wasn’t Catholic- was checking out Protestantism because the true religion had been kept from me.),activities, etc.
College? Who knows. Maybe all it did in my case was to send me on a 25 year search for the faith. If so, it served God’s purpose despite the evil intent of those in charge. Marriage? I NEVER felt called. Had I lived in a different era, I’m very sure Id have become either a teaching or missionary sister. The calling was never realized because Vat. II hid the faith from me and closed off the convents and religious orders. I think my vocation is to amount to nothing; to serve as a visible sign and indictment of the shepherds to care for the sheep.
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Regardless of whether it is "worth it" financially, I'm not even sure it is morally permissible.
When I went to college, the course content for the general education credit requirements (i.e., liberal arts taught by atheistic Jew professors 50% of the time) was often blasphemous and heretical, and in testing, you would often be required to reaffirm such.
For example, I recall in a class called "Western Civilization Until 1648" (or some such title), the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ freemasonic professor glorified firstly the Lutheran revolt ("He said what people had been thinking for centuries!"), then the French Revolution. We were required to read Candide by Francis-Mary Arouet.
It was not possible to critique or challenge the professor's presentation.
Your grade was dependent upon the degree to which you could faithfully regurgitate the sophistries you had been spoon fed.
Deviations from the received view "demonstrated" a failure to grasp course material.
Had I been a faithful Catholic in those days, I never could have gotten the grades that I did.
Today I would flunk those courses, because I would lambast what those professors were teaching.
But had I been a faithful Catholic in those days, my faith would certainly have been challenged on a daily basis.
I'm not sure we are allowed to knowingly place our faith in that kind of danger, and I am also not confident an 18 year-old Catholic who will be wowed by his "incredibly intelligent" professors, will be able to withstand their sophistries. He simply won't have had the time to study his faith (or history) enough by that age.
People often say to me, "Well, what if I want to become a lawyer?"
My response is always, "What is more important to you: Maintaining your faith, or becomming a lawyer?"
To which they always respond: "Are you trying to tell me God doesn't want any Catholic lawyers, or doctors, etc?"
To which I always respond: "God may give some the grace to withstand/resist their indoctrination, yes, and if your priest agrees that it is your calling to become a lawyer, well, that's between him, you, and God. But if you are doing this of your own accord (which will be the case in 90% of the cases: Whoever asks their priest about their vocations, except in the case of religious or priestly vocations? They all think that if they want to be something else, that is their own business. WRONG!), you are likely acting according to your own will against the will of God, who would not want to plunge you into a dangerous environment woefully underprepared. Besides, God can always convert the doctors and lawyers he needs."
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This video is based on the assumption that those going to college take out loans to do so. That's true for 69% of the class of 2018 (https://studentloanhero.com/student-loan-debt-statistics/).
Thomas Aquinas College makes top 10 list (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/15/student-borrowers-from-these-10-colleges-graduate-with-the-least-debt.html)s for least amount of student debt ($16,986, with 15% having no debt).
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Also, there are tons of online schools. The internet is making brick-and-mortar colleges obsolete.
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Sean, another thing I learned from liberals was how to write a lot and say nothing at all, or, rather, to write ambiguously so as to make the stupid reader believe it agrees with his mistaken beliefs. It worked particularly well with poly sci. professors! Write in the third person so that the errors aren’t yours and you never agree with them.
One needn’t swallow the vomit. Just scoop it up, stir it around, pour it in a fancy glass and hand it back to the prof.
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I agree that a woman should have a way to earn money if she never gets married or becomes a nun.
But that is one thing and sending your daughter away to college its very different.
Daughters should be protected by their parents. Im a woman and I was exposed to dangerous situations at college. Only God's grace saved me and I didnt turn a whore, a party girl, raped, single mom, etc.
College are dangerous places to naive young women.
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Of course, now that I'm also losing the hair on top of my head, I'll probably be even MORE inclined to keep the beard. From the back I look like I've been tonsured (in the religious order fashion). Perhaps I need to order a zucchetto.
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My wife has never seen me without the beard (I've had it since we met), and I'm somewhat concerned that she would really not like the way I look without it.
Your insecurity is unbecoming of a real man, and your wife smells it from a mile away.
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Here we go again.
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Good luck finding any job outside of garbage man, religious vocation, mailman, and construction worker without a college degree. If you plan on raising a big Catholic family you have to have the funds via a good job.
To the people saying that college will turn them liberal: do you not see the world we live in? Just teach them to ignore it like they do the other bs that we have to live with in the modern world.
My husband never went to college, and owns a very successful plumbing company. He does very well for himself.
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Of course, now that I'm also losing the hair on top of my head, I'll probably be even MORE inclined to keep the beard. From the back I look like I've been tonsured (in the religious order fashion). Perhaps I need to order a zucchetto.
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Your insecurity is unbecoming of a real man, and your wife smells it from a mile away.
Glycogen (aka Croix) fails to recognize that these comments were made largely tongue-in-cheek on a thread about beards and facial hair ... as evidenced by my joke about the zucchetto. I was poking fun at myself for losing my hair.
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My husband never went to college, and owns a very successful plumbing company. He does very well for himself.
Good for him! I only would suggest collage to my children if I were to see that they had a desire to go into the healthcare field. Other than that, I highly recommend against it.
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Good for him! I only would suggest collage to my children if I were to see that they had a desire to go into the healthcare field. Other than that, I highly recommend against it.
College is like the NO, all any trad needs to do is see what happens to those who go there, the brainwashing en masse and the damage that has been done to everything, especially everything holy. Hopefully they will see this but if not, the parents certainly should - and seeing should do what they can to be as dissuasive as they can. Better to try to get them to look into something else that doesn't require any college at all.
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College is like the NO, all any trad needs to do is see what happens to those who go there, the brainwashing en masse and the damage that has been done to everything, especially everything holy. Hopefully they will see this but if not, the parents certainly should - and seeing should do what they can to be as dissuasive as they can. Better to try to get them to look into something else that doesn't require any college at all.
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I upvoted you Stubborn, I’m not sure if I’ve ever done that before! :) :)
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I upvoted you Stubborn, I’m not sure if I’ve ever done that before! :) :)
You should do it all the time! :laugh1:
Still got a down thumb lol Likely from a Liberal who is either NO or goes to college or both.
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Also, there are tons of online schools. The internet is making brick-and-mortar colleges obsolete.
Yes, that is the answer to the problem, and the problem is sending your children away to a school in another town where they will be living by themselves, even if it is sending them away to elementary or high school to St. Mary's Kansas.
There are many fields that require higher learning to get a license, like medicine, science, engineering, architecture, school teacher...…., and one can today go to practically any university online. But, if your children have to go to a brick and mortar school because they need a degree in these fields, they can go to a local state university and live at home.
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You should do it all the time! :laugh1:
Still got a down thumb lol Likely from a Liberal who is either NO or goes to college or both.
Or maybe from somene who's so used to down-thumbing every post of yours that it was an accident from force of habit :laugh1: [No, it wasn't me. I'm not a fan of colleges.]
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Good for him! I only would suggest collage to my children if I were to see that they had a desire to go into the healthcare field. Other than that, I highly recommend against it.
I agree, and I love that he’s against it for our kids too. Lol which is weird because he’s fine sending them to school now, but ... God is turning His head towards homeschooling for sure lately!
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But, if your children have to go to a brick and mortar school because they need a degree in these fields, they can go to a local state university and live at home.
Yes, I think the problem is not the university exactly, though that is dangerous, but living outside of the family home among unbelievers when one is too young and impressionable and not ready for living on one's own amidst strong temptations with out their father and mother there to protect them. I do not think most young adults are ready to live on their own (or especially with non-Catholic roommates) at the age of 18 today, especially the girls. I don't know about everyone but in my own university experience the dorms were dens of vipers.
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Yes, that is the answer to the problem, and the problem is sending your children away to a school in another town where they will be living by themselves, even if it is sending them away to elementary or high school to St. Mary's Kansas.
There are many fields that require higher learning to get a license, like medicine, science, engineering, architecture, school teacher...…., and one can today go to practically any university online. But, if your children have to go to a brick and mortar school because they need a degree in these fields, they can go to a local state university and live at home.
Although online courses or living at home while attending a local state university would be better, I don't think it would fix the problem completely because there is still liberal bias in the course content (depending upon the course).
But yes, the above measures would limit the potential for damage.
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Although online courses or living at home while attending a local state university would be better, I don't think it would fix the problem completely because there is still liberal bias in the course content (depending upon the course).
But yes, the above measures would limit the potential for damage.
Unless it's some sort of social science or political course, I doubt it. And the main danger with college isn't really the curricular brainwashing, even most worldy people think college professors are biased and full of [censored] these days. The real danger is embracing the degenerate lifestyle that 99% of the other students will be living and being surrounded by unavoidable occasions of sin 24/7.
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Unless it's some sort of social science or political course, I doubt it. And the main danger with college isn't really the curricular brainwashing, even most worldy people think college professors are biased and full of [censored] these days. The real danger is embracing the degenerate lifestyle that 99% of the other students will be living and being surrounded by unavoidable occasions of sin 24/7.
If you're only focusing on the blatant sinful lifestyle, yes. However, there are insidious effects as well.
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I've noticed most college professors & instructors have a "divinity" complex. They're very self-serving, too. Potential students, beware.
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Even if you send your children to State University, they will be in danger and you will be responsible.
A naive young trad catholic will have atheistic or neopagan teachers and friends. Even if they go from home to University and from University to home, day by day.
I wouldn't send a daughter to college or State University. I will encourage her to learn a trade at home. If she marries, its OK, I will pray she would be at home. If she has a religious vocation, and learned a trade like cooking or sewing, that will be useful at her community. If she is a single woman, she could earn her own money (the last choice).
If I have a son, I would encourage him to learn some trade related to computers so he can learn at home, maybe going to State University but only if he is mature enough.
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Even if you send your children to State University, they will be in danger and you will be responsible.
A naive young trad catholic will have atheistic or neopagan teachers and friends. Even if they go from home to University and from University to home, day by day.
Definitely. There's no difference between a state college and a university in terms of constant exposure to occasions of sin and degeneracy being fed to students there.
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I wouldn't send a daughter to college or State University. I will encourage her to learn a trade at home. If she marries, its OK, I will pray she would be at home. If she has a religious vocation, and learned a trade like cooking or sewing, that will be useful at her community. If she is a single woman, she could earn her own money (the last choice).
Same here.
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Even if you send your children to State University, they will be in danger and you will be responsible.
Agreed - if the parents approve. But parents cannot always stop or forbid their child from going away when the child gets to that age, but all parents can dissuade, and particularly for trads the dissuasion has to be built in, has to be a part of their upbringing - which hopefully goes without saying for trads.
If I have a son, I would encourage him to learn some trade related to computers so he can learn at home, maybe going to State University but only if he is mature enough
I think a great idea is to look into whatever the biggest industry or industries are in your area. For example, in Louisville, insurance of all kinds is one of their big industries, in Texas energy is one, in California it's IT, Detroit it's automotive, in Florida it's Tourism, and so on. I talked to a guy in TX a few years ago whose son was making over $115k/yr driving truck for one of the big oil companies from 9 to 5 every day, all he was doing was hauling metal pipes and pumps etc.. Most states that I know of have a choice of different industries to look into where one can make some really good income without any degree.
Within each of the bigger local industries, there are almost always great paying jobs that all one needs to do is learn via "on the job training." True one would usually start at the bottom, but within 4 or 5 years they should be making a nice income, after a few more years they'd be making even more, have a career they enjoy because they're good at it, and they did it without having to go in serious debt to get brainwashed at college.
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To the people saying that college will turn them liberal: do you not see the world we live in? Just teach them to ignore it like they do the other bs that we have to live with in the modern world.
Obviously, you have never been to university, or you would never say that.
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Obviously, you have never been to university, or you would never say that.
Or, he attends or did attend, and having such familiarity with the whole scene doesn't see the obvious.
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Or, he attends or did attend, and having such familiarity with the whole scene doesn't see the obvious.
He's 17, likely he intends to start in a year or two.
Well all we can do is pray he comes out the other side with his faith.
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Even if you send your children to State University, they will be in danger and you will be responsible.
A naive young trad catholic will have atheistic or neopagan teachers and friends. Even if they go from home to University and from University to home, day by day.
I wouldn't send a daughter to college or State University. I will encourage her to learn a trade at home. If she marries, its OK, I will pray she would be at home. If she has a religious vocation, and learned a trade like cooking or sewing, that will be useful at her community. If she is a single woman, she could earn her own money (the last choice).
If I have a son, I would encourage him to learn some trade related to computers so he can learn at home, maybe going to State University but only if he is mature enough.
If your daughter ends up having to support herself, she’s going to be able to do so by cooking and sewing? On which planet?
OK, I shouldn’t be sarcastic, but think this to the natural conclusion!
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I don't know about everyone but in my own university experience the dorms were dens of vipers.
Which is EXACTLY why I moved out of the dorms after the first semester, two miles from campus into my own apartment at age 18.
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I never understood why parents want to finance their children becoming Marxistized and perverted, or why students go into debt just so they can become less sovereign people and filled with bogus information that has no real application in the world.
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I think a great idea is to look into whatever the biggest industry or industries are in your area. For example, in Louisville, insurance of all kinds is one of their big industries, in Texas energy is one, in California it's IT, Detroit it's automotive, in Florida it's Tourism, and so on. I talked to a guy in TX a few years ago whose son was making over $115k/yr driving truck for one of the big oil companies from 9 to 5 every day, all he was doing was hauling metal pipes and pumps etc.. Most states that I know of have a choice of different industries to look into where one can make some really good income without any degree.
Within each of the bigger local industries, there are almost always great paying jobs that all one needs to do is learn via "on the job training." True one would usually start at the bottom, but within 4 or 5 years they should be making a nice income, after a few more years they'd be making even more, have a career they enjoy because they're good at it, and they did it without having to go in serious debt to get brainwashed at college.
This is a great idea for a young man who lives in a place that still has “industry” like Louisville. As for a daughter? Many places no longer have heavy industry, and that which do necessitates higher education to make a decent living. Take Florida’s tourism industry, or IT, or the restaurant business. Nobody except those on welfare support their families working at McDonalds or in an entry level IT job. Many of these people can be found living in welfare motels near Disney resorts or in worn out RVs parked illegally near Google headquarters. Right now, Louisville is one of the rare places that a man can find a decent job or work his way up into one, but he will probably need to live, 5-8 years at home before he’ll be ready to marry. Should an entire family move for this purpose? What about the parents, likely in their 50s? Will Dad be able to find work? Businesses just aren’t hiring 55 year olds. And if it’s a daughter who doesn’t marry or enter a convent? I don’t think most parents want her to drive a semi hauling pipes and heavy equipment, even if it does pay the bills!
I’m not arguing, just questioning. It seems to me that there really IS no one answer except to pray for each adult “child” to grow in holiness and acquire heroic fortitude in order to both survive in the world and save his soul.
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This is a great idea for a young man who lives in a place that still has “industry” like Louisville. As for a daughter? Many places no longer have heavy industry, and that which do necessitates higher education to make a decent living. Take Florida’s tourism industry, or IT, or the restaurant business. Nobody except those on welfare support their families working at McDonalds or in an entry level IT job. Many of these people can be found living in welfare motels near Disney resorts or in worn out RVs parked illegally near Google headquarters. Right now, Louisville is one of the rare places that a man can find a decent job or work his way up into one, but he will probably need to live, 5-8 years at home before he’ll be ready to marry. Should an entire family move for this purpose? What about the parents, likely in their 50s? Will Dad be able to find work? Businesses just aren’t hiring 55 year olds. And if it’s a daughter who doesn’t marry or enter a convent? I don’t think most parents want her to drive a semi hauling pipes and heavy equipment, even if it does pay the bills!
I’m not arguing, just questioning. It seems to me that there really IS no one answer except to pray for each adult “child” to grow in holiness and acquire heroic fortitude in order to both survive in the world and save his soul.
I never said it would be easy :laugh1:, but let's use tourism for example, a field I know absolutely zero about, but this is what I would do if I were a young woman in an area where tourism was a major industry. The same concept applies to wherever and whatever the industry is. It's not 100% fool proof, but the concept is pretty robust.
I would find a job with any one of the tourism or maybe boat charter or some other related company, likely one of the puny offices would suit me, but a big place works too.
Once in, plan to spend at least few months doing whatever duties or menial tasks they give you, while striving to learn and advance. That is the purpose for getting that job, to learn as much about it as possible, as well as if you will want to stick in that field.
Once in, within a few months or however long it takes, you'll get to see how it all works so get good at it. Learn everything you can about that field. Use that first place as a learning experience, but use it - while at the same time making a few bucks. Maybe even advance up the ladder a little while you're at it. If you make it a year, you should know a lot about the business you're in.
By now, I'd be wanting more money so I'd ask for a raise, if I don't get it, I go get a better paying job, maybe at a bigger company in the same industry. Better paying because now I have experience, with experience comes an increase in pay. It might be that I'd have to do some leg work to get it, but I'll get it because it's out there.
After you know what you're doing and have made some connections within the business, maybe open your own office, or home office and work from home. Sure, it will take some years, but that's the norm anyway, even with a degree. How many of the college brainwashed come out of college and land a job that pays them $80k/year? Few if any imo. Besides, it beats working at McDonalds drive-thru and living in a slum.
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You should do it all the time! :laugh1:
Still got a down thumb lol Likely from a Liberal who is either NO or goes to college or both.
:) I did it again!
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If your daughter ends up having to support herself, she’s going to be able to do so by cooking and sewing? On which planet?
OK, I shouldn’t be sarcastic, but think this to the natural conclusion!
I know you are not being sarcastic. Dont worry.
If she knows how to cook or sew in a profesional and not amateur way she could earn her own money designin clothes or starting a restaurant.
She could have a little farm or piece of land with animals and vegetables and offer organic meals... a lot of stuff.
Ive seen people with college degrees without employment and creative people with only high school who start their own bussiness.
Even if she is poor I prefer she lives in poverty but she remains a catholic than going to college and being lost.
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Agreed - if the parents approve. But parents cannot always stop or forbid their child from going away when the child gets to that age, but all parents can dissuade, and particularly for trads the dissuasion has to be built in, has to be a part of their upbringing - which hopefully goes without saying for trads.
I think a great idea is to look into whatever the biggest industry or industries are in your area. For example, in Louisville, insurance of all kinds is one of their big industries, in Texas energy is one, in California it's IT, Detroit it's automotive, in Florida it's Tourism, and so on. I talked to a guy in TX a few years ago whose son was making over $115k/yr driving truck for one of the big oil companies from 9 to 5 every day, all he was doing was hauling metal pipes and pumps etc.. Most states that I know of have a choice of different industries to look into where one can make some really good income without any degree.
Within each of the bigger local industries, there are almost always great paying jobs that all one needs to do is learn via "on the job training." True one would usually start at the bottom, but within 4 or 5 years they should be making a nice income, after a few more years they'd be making even more, have a career they enjoy because they're good at it, and they did it without having to go in serious debt to get brainwashed at college.
Good ideas!
For a woman: taking care if elderly people (a lot of sons and daughters are ready to pay for someone to take their parents to hospital or shopping because they dont have time to do it or dont care), hairdresser (she can work with an assistant for safety reasons) an attend only old ladys, taking care of pets and animals (yeah, in big cities a lot of yuppies dont have time to take their dog to the park and need someone who do this), etc...
She dont need to do it personally, she can manage a web page an offer the service.
A lot of people love organic food. She can offer organic meals.
I believe its common sense. Maybe she will not live with luxuries but she will not starve if parents can give her a roof (the most expensive item).
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I know you are not being sarcastic. Dont worry.
If she knows how to cook or sew in a profesional and not amateur way she could earn her own money designin clothes or starting a restaurant.
She could have a little farm or piece of land with animals and vegetables and offer organic meals... a lot of stuff.
Ive seen people with college degrees without employment and creative people with only high school who start their own bussiness.
Even if she is poor I prefer she lives in poverty but she remains a catholic than going to college and being lost.
100# agree with your last sentence.
Back to cooking and sewing...
What you suggest does surely necessitate a great deal of skill and capital support. As you say, she can’t be an amateur. Unless someone in the family or a close friend is a professional cook, chef, designer, seamstress, she will need training and time to acquire the necessary skill level. She will need money to pay her teachers, money and a place for equipment and supplies. If she’s going into business, she needs to learn how to start and operate a business, average of $40,000 up front in the U.S. Keep in mind that a full 80% of start-ups in the US fail within five years. I don’t think most women, even those young, strong, and in robust health are capable of living solo on a mini-farm. She’d need land, not for free, even if inherited or gifted, there’s taxes, many kinds of equipment, animals, to pay for the vet...She will need not only traditionally female domestic skills, but male farm skills and the physical ability to perform both.
Troubled30, are you age 30 or thereabouts? Have you ever lived on an off-grid farm? By yourself? Successfully for a period of say, three to five years?
I’ll anticipate the next suggestion from someone. A group of single Catholic ladies should band together and do this. To me, that sounds wonderful. I’ve lived on three off-grid farms for a total of about eight years. I loved the lifestyle. But I wasn’t alone; I lived with the most ultra-conservative of the Old Order Amish and Mennonites. For eight years I used an outhouse, never showered, bathed once weekly from a round tub behind the cookstove in the kitchen. I was #five in line for the ladies’ water. I can sew, can, bake, butcher chickens, keep a garden, hitch a horse to a buggy and drive it, use a manual wringer washer, operate a water-driven grist mill to grind grain, make lye soap, pick and shuck corn, milk cows and goats by hand, shovel mischt, fork hay, chop wood, and I’m a pretty good shot with a 12-gauge.
That was when I was in my 20’s with good health despite arthritis. I’m now in my 60’s with fair health due to arthritis and PVS, the result of a very bad case of flu combined with Fifth’s Disease.
Please forward to me the list of traditional Catholic ladies willing and able to commit full-time to this life for a period of about 8-10 years. I may not be able to do everything, but I can still teach younger or more adept women! (Don’t worry, I won’t be offended if there are few or none who’d seriously like to live this way.). At my old SSPX chapel, there were two women who were seriously scandalized when I showed up at a Pilgrimage/Retreat/Conference. I arrived having driven four days, solo, and pitched a tent in woods behind a cornfield. I couldn’t afford it, otherwise! They were horrified at the idea of my sleeping in the tent back there alone, and insisted I should have female companions. There were plenty of single ladies, mostly in their 20’s. My tent could easily fit three plus bags and I had one extra small tent for two minus bags or one more comfortably. There were zero takers to my offer, this even when I discovered the land owner was one of the conference coordinators. At least I didn’t have to squat. He gave permission somewhat reluctantly and made me sign a paper agreeing to take full responsibility for my personal safety and well-being.
I’ve often invited work colleagues to join me for a weekend in a campground with a bathhouse, hot water, flush toilets, showers, WiFi, coin laundry facilities, picnic tables, tent platforms, option for electric and water hook-ups on the site...In 25 years, not a soul has taken me up on the offer. The closest I ever came was a temporary music teacher, recently (unwillingly) divorced, raising her 11 year old autistic son and five year old Down Syndrome daughter accompanied me on a day trip to a rustic park in Connecticut. At work, my colleagues looked down on her because she was black and had married a Korean man, father of the girl, but not the boy. She’d converted from Baptist to Coptic Orthodox and married the Korean novus man, but soon returned to the Coptic. The man left the Faith first, and then her. (Koreans and blacks in NYC really don’t like each other, so in a majority Asian/Korean school, it didn’t go over well when she was hired!). I liked her. She handled the children exceptionally well, her son, especially. He was basically non-verbal and had anger outbursts as a result. The little girl was easy. You simply had to keep in mind she was a 1 year old mind in a five year old body, very sweet and lovable. I don’t understand how her father could have rejected and abandoned her. I do understand the difficulty with the boy, but he married her knowing it was a package deal. Lorelei told me he became abusive about six months into the marriage, first verbally, then physically after she had their daughter. He wanted to put both children in care and get her tubes tied. (Probably a truly anullable marriage if he had this in mind secretly all along?). We set up the tent for an after lunch nap. Everyone slept except for me! James loved being outdoors and had only one meltdown because he was scared to use the outhouse.
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Good ideas!
For a woman: taking care if elderly people (a lot of sons and daughters are ready to pay for someone to take their parents to hospital or shopping because they dont have time to do it or dont care), hairdresser (she can work with an assistant for safety reasons) an attend only old ladys, taking care of pets and animals (yeah, in big cities a lot of yuppies dont have time to take their dog to the park and need someone who do this), etc...
She dont need to do it personally, she can manage a web page an offer the service.
A lot of people love organic food. She can offer organic meals.
I believe its common sense. Maybe she will not live with luxuries but she will not starve if parents can give her a roof (the most expensive item).
I’m thinking more about the single woman who is on her own, whose parents are deceased and who has no social safety net in terms of siblings or extended family.
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I’m thinking more about the single woman who is on her own, whose parents are deceased and who has no social safety net in terms of siblings or extended family.
I understand and I believe its a very hard and sad situation.
In a catholic world, a single woman was never alone, because she had siblings, extended family or were able to become religious.
My parents had single aunts and they :
A- Lived with a married sibling
B- Lived with their parents, taking care of them and remaining at the family home. Grandpa left the parents home to the unmarried sister when their parents died)
C-One was a primary teacher and was able to earn some money
Married sons NEVER let alone their unmarried sisters, so parents could be calm. Having a degree was an exception...
So, solution in the future is raising catholic families with all the children God sends and telling our sons they could never abandon their sisters and protecting unmarried sisters by testament (you can give more percentage of property).
Even with the money you have to pay to go to college you can start a small bussiness to your daughters or handicaped sons , etc...