Author Topic: CM Debunks Fake Lucy Theory? (Read 7161 times)

MiracleOfTheSun · « **Reply #45 on:** July 07, 2023, 06:57:30 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 07, 2023, 06:34:55 PM

All part of the aging process, according to the medical site I cited above (and any other you care to research, none of whom have a dog in the fake Lucy fight).

I'd agree people can pick up a double chin later in life but sagging skin isn't the same as an entirely different bone structure which the profile demonstrates. The researchers Dr. C. hired are various professional experts, with different specialties, and none of which identifies as a Catholic (as far as I know). Just wondering if you've actually spent time on the photos or are simply dismissing it out of hand (which it sounds like but maybe not)?

Always · « **Reply #46 on:** July 07, 2023, 06:58:05 PM »

Remember Christine, you are not trying to help Sister Lucy Truth, you are trying to torpedo Sister Lucy Truth! Stop citing studies that further affirm what the experts have said already! (chojnowski.me)

The Neutral Report that Christine Niles points to is actually further evidence that Sister Lucy I and Sister Lucy II are DIFFERENT persons. Check out the ratings system they used and the details of the discussions that Sister Lucy Truth had with them concerning their methodology. (chojnowski.me)

The Neutral Report that Christine Niles points to is actually further evidence that Sister Lucy I and Sister Lucy II are DIFFERENT persons. Check out the ratings system they used and the details of the discussions that Sister Lucy Truth had with them concerning their methodology.

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https://b7a5p3z2.rocketcdn.me/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Ideal-Innovations-Report.pdf
Here is our introduction to the report and our questions concerning the methodology of Ideal Innovations:
SISTER LUCY TRUTH IDEAL INNOVATIONS, INC. (I3) REPORT
Biometrics expert affirms that 1967 and post-1967 “Sr. Lucy” are the same person with little or no evident connection between the pre-1967 Lucy and the “Lucy” who appeared in 1967
In July 2021, Sister Lucy Truth (SLT) commissioned a facial analysis report from Ideal Innovations Incorporated (I3), an industry leader in facial examination, training, and biometrics and a contractor with the FBI and the Defense Forensic Science Center, which offers full-service forensic support for the US Army and Department of Defense. Although SLT provided its entire photo gallery, I3’s experts selected and analyzed only a small range of those photos to determine if any identity between the pre- 1967 Sr. Lucy and both the 1967 and post-1967 “Sr. Lucy” could be determined.
In our discussions, I3 admitted several notable points that the reader should keep in mind when going through this report:
1.
2.
They explicitly informed SLT that they do not use measurements nor proportions in making comparisons. This surprised SLT since similar reports from other experts have all used measurements and proportions.
I3 could not explain exactly what is meant by their scaling system of +2, +1, 0, etc. These numbers do not represent percentages. +2 essentially means “more similar” than +1. 0 means observations can support neither that it is the same nor a different person.
Based on I3’s facial recognition analysis, several important results emerged:

When comparing photos from subjects A (young Sr. Lucy) to B (Dorothean Sr. Lucy) and B to C
(1967 “Sr. Lucy”), I3 was able to conclude only a slight similarity of +1.
Finally, and critically, observations support that the 1967 “Sr. Lucy” and post-1967 elderly “Sr.
Lucy” are the same person (+2 result).

A follow-up analysis with additional images was conducted between subject B and subjects C and D (elderly, post-1967 “Sr. Lucy”). The conclusion was neutral at best: all comparisons registered a scale result of 0 similarity. This result implicitly indicates that there were indeed two Lucys, for if they were the same individual throughout, one should expect a similarity of +2 or greater as was found when comparing the 1967 “Lucy” with the elderly “Lucy.”
While not in accord with the results of our other expert reports, the analysis remains at best neutral and agnostic about the identity of the two Sr. Lucys. This neutral report therefore does not directly contradict the previous scientific reports that assert that there were two Lucys. The clear identity that did emerge was between the 1967 “Lucy” and post-1967, elderly “Lucy,” which is in accord with our previous findings that from 1967 onwards there was one, not multiple, impostor Lucys. SLT presents the full report here for the sake of objectivity and as further evidence of our good will, demonstrating that the results of these expert findings were independently produced and not dictated by SLT. Our investigation of the issue continues with even greater urgency.

Remember Christine, you are not trying to help Sister Lucy Truth, you are trying to torpedo Sister Lucy Truth! Stop citing studies that further affirm what the experts have said already! (chojnowski.me)

Remember Christine, you are not trying to help Sister Lucy Truth, you are trying to torpedo Sister Lucy Truth! Stop citing studies that further affirm what the experts have said already!

Here is the most relevant part of the text of the study that Christine Niles uses the picture from but derives a conclusion THE EXACT OPPOSITE FROM THAT OF THE STUDY AND THAT OF LOIS GIBSON. Not to mention the fact that they are not the same woman whose skulls are being compared. Is she implying that picture B happens to ALL WOMEN AS THEY AGE?:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100323121836.htm

The angle of the jaw increases markedly with age, which results in a loss of definition of the lower border of the face, according to the study. Jaw length decreases significantly in comparisons between the young and middle age groups, whereas the decline in jaw height from the middle to old group was noteworthy.
"The jaw is the foundation of the lower face, and changes to it affect facial aesthetics," said Howard N. Langstein, M.D., professor and chief of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery at the University of Rochester Medical Center. "These measurements indicate a significant decline in the jaw's volume as a person ages, and therefore less support of soft tissue of the lower face and neck."

"There She Goes Again!" In attacking the report from Guinness Book of World Record Expert Lois Gibson, Christine Niles Takes Pictures From an Article that AFFIRMS THE VERY ANATOMICAL FACT THAT NILES IS DENYNG. Read the Link and Be Ready for Distortions and Fraudulent Presentation by Church Militant. They are clearly getting desperate. (chojnowski.me)

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Envelhecimento facial é mais profundo do que uma pele flácida

Envelhecimento facial é mais profundo do que uma pele flácida

HERE IS THE VIDEO ATTACK CLIP BY CHRISTINE NILES
https://youtube.com/shorts/bZRD4jj9pbM?feature=share
HERE IS THE ARTICLE, IN PORTUGUESE, WHERE THE PICTURES NILES IS USING COME FROM. https://www.diariodasaude.com.br/news.php?article=envelhecimento-cirurgia-facial&id=5136
HERE IS THE RELEVANT TEXT IN THE ARTICLE CONCERNING THE JAW. IT HAS BEEN TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH HERE: Jaw

The researchers used a computer program to measure the length, width and angle of the movable bone at the base of the skull, the mandible, and compared the results for each group.

Previous research had relied on X-ray images and suggested that the bone in the jaw increases with age. The use of computed tomography allowed a three-dimensional reconstruction of the face, improving the accuracy of measurements.

The angle of the jaw increases markedly with age, which results in a loss of definition in the lower part of the face. Jaw length significantly decreases when comparing young and middle-aged groups.

Between the middle-aged group and the elderly group, what stands out is the decrease in chin height.
Another point, very important from our perspective, that these two skull renderings are not of the same person. They are different women. Not an insignificant point!

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #47 on:** July 07, 2023, 07:04:19 PM »

Too bad that the comparison between real and fake Sr Lucys didn't include the ears (due to both wearing nun attire). The noses, for sure, are different. Typically, the ears make the determination. Attached vs unattached lobes and other things.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #48 on:** July 07, 2023, 07:09:48 PM »

Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on July 07, 2023, 06:57:30 PM

I'd agree people can pick up a double chin later in life but sagging skin isn't the same as an entirely different bone structure which the profile demonstrates. The researchers Dr. C. hired are various professional experts, with different specialties, and none of which identifies as a Catholic (as far as I know). Just wondering if you've actually spent time on the photos or are simply dismissing it out of hand (which it sounds like but maybe not)?

The medical site I cited specifically notes skeletal (ie., bone) changes as part of the aging process.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #49 on:** July 07, 2023, 07:27:22 PM »

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The medical site I cited specifically notes skeletal (ie., bone) changes as part of the aging process.

Yeah, but how much is noticeable to the naked eye? Certainly there will be noticeable changes between 20yrs and 80yrs, but even the pictures someone posted of the same people, the changes were very mild. And the age change between Sr Lucy and the fake one was 20-30 years?? I doubt much "aging" took place. The fake Sr Lucy was under 60.

That's why you hire experts; which Dr Ch did.

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