If you look at groups like the Knights of Columbus, Hibernians, Legion of Mary , etc., these groups just divided many within a parish.  Many of these groups are very Masonic like too.  “Legion”makes me think of the devil and Marian worship.  Many in our area belong to these groups but don’t know the Catholic faith or reject it.  Many in our area belong to these groups and are Freemasons too.  A small number of traditional Catholics go to Eucharistic adoration and confession. Many groups are just social work with prayer thrown in. 

I notice many Philly cultural Catholics have moved into our area.  Most vote democrat.  They leave their crime filled neighborhoods to create the same unholy mess into our area.

In the end, the domestic church is neglected.  The faith starts at home.  The father should be leading in home prayers too. Pray the rosary and read the Bible.

I belong to auxiliary Legion of Mary. What is wrong with me praying the rosary? My husband is a Knight of Columbus. The Knights built the playground for the parish school. The Knights collect coats for the poor kids. When a woman came into the church naked and brutalized because her husband drove her out of their apartment, it was the knights who covered her with their jackets, ran to the dollar store around the corner and bought her a dress and stayed with her until cops came. Members of the Knights old and young were the first men to jump up and come to our priest's aid when he was almost attacked by a witch and they support the free clinic. What's wrong with that?

Yeah, this was in the 1800s. 

As modern inventions gave people more free time, these groups in the 1900s were originally part of Catholic Action and did a lot of charitable works.

Don't criticize things you don't know the history of.

I do know the history of these groups very well.  People should have been home working on the domestic church.  Look at how many grandchildren aren’t even baptized. 

I have witnessed a pro  abortion political candidate  stop by the Kof C hall after mass at a Hibernian event.  Too much drinking, smoking and unholy conversations and actions.  Many are pro abortion and vote it.

Look at Ireland today.  They were quick to lose the faith. 


Plenty of charity with zero God.  They won’t even put a rosary or Catholic literature in a child’s back back because they don’t want to offend anyone.

The present day is charitable works without the Catholic faith.  You will know them by their fruits. 

Don’t tell me I don’t know my Catholic history and faith.  
 
The Philly cultural Catholics have flooded our rural area of New Jersey with McMansions and stuck up attitudes.  Many are divorced. Most are liberal democrats who have changed the conservative area to liberal.  They meet at library not to pray but work for abortion and social justice with nuns on the bus group.  



 

Viva, for your edification.


O Mary, conceived without sin.
Pray for us who have recourse to you.

The Legion Of Mary was founded in Dublin, Ireland on 7th September 1921. It is a lay Catholic organisation whose members are giving service to the church on a voluntary basis in almost every country.
The object of the Legion of Mary is the glory of God through the holiness of its members developed by prayer and active co-operation in Mary’s and the Churches work.
The unit of the Legion of Mary is called a praesidium, which holds a weekly meeting, where prayer is intermingled with reports and discussion. Persons who wish to join the Legion must apply for membership in a Praesidium.
WORKS OF THE LEGION
The Legion sees as its priority the spiritual and social welfare of each individual. The members participate in the life of the parish through visitation of families, the sick, both in their homes and in hospitals and through collaboration in every apostolic and missionary undertaking by the parish.
Every legionary is required to carry out a weekly apostolic work in the spirit of faith and in union with Mary.
“For all states of the laity the perfect example of spiritual and apostolic life in the most Blessed Virgin Mary, Queen of Apostles, who while leading the life common to all on earth, one filled with family concerns and labours, was always intimately united with her Son and ion an entirely unique way co-operated in the work of the Saviour……All should devoutly venerate her and commend their life and apostolate to her maternal care”.

These groups cause division within a parish and take people away from their main duty which is their families.  This is one of the main reasons the Church is in crisis.  

They have become social group where I’m from.  I was a member Legion of Mary and former President of LAOH.  I know very well.  I quit the Hibernians when I got married.  

  Our Catholic hospital was sold off. They gutted the church and removed the graves of priest and nuns.  They removed the cross from the hospital.  

 You would be shocked at the number of members of Legion of Mary whose only children and grandchildren left the Catholic Church.  

Also,  as Catholics we don’t have to belong to a group to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ and  live the Catholic faith daily.   

This is another salient point. Some folks at our chapel don’t have any traditional Catholic family and have a limited social circle. They work secular jobs all week. Coffee and donuts after Mass is their only chance all week to step away from the banality of the world and have uplifting conversations with fellow Catholics. Not only do I fail to see the harm in this, but I thing it is outright praiseworthy. I know many good Catholic couples who met their spouses at such coffee hours, men at the parish who have hired younger men looking for work they met at coffee hour etc. this is a very good thing.

I’m sorry but I’m talking about before the need for traditional Chapels.  Also, it depends where you go too.  

Most young ones from this area don’t want to work.  Maybe it’s different when the chapel is located in rural area.  


We shouldn’t be in this situation at all.

But this brings up an interesting thought, Jesus ate with tax collectors.  Jesus ate with sinners.  Where do we draw the line of how much socializing we do with people who are not Catholic?  The concern is that we might become like the people we hang out with, so how are we suppose to socialize in a very secular world, where most of us don't live within 30 minutes of the church we attend. 

Maybe if you are weak in your Faith you should not socialize outside of Catholic circles, but if you are strong in the Faith, then God wants you to be an example for others.  How do we know which is the right way to look at it?  I know I am rambling.

It's only about a 7.5 minute sermon, but I think he gives you the answer....

That's too bad, I often appreciated your input, Elwin. On the other hand, if you're just too special and important to interact with real people, as they are, I would suggest seeking a refund on your allegedly Catholic education.

I usually stay out of this type of thing, but I can almost understand Lad leaving - anytime today's corrupt politics is involved in the conversation it often leads too many people into saying and doing crazy things.

But seems to me that  Viva is essentially and correctly saying that every and any organization that's associated with the NO is in someway tainted and should be at least suspect, if not an outright danger and is better to be avoided. 

That's too bad, I often appreciated your input, Elwin. On the other hand, if you're just too special and important to interact with real people, as they are, I would suggest seeking a refund on your allegedly Catholic education.

Did I hurt your feelings?  Truth hurts.