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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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« on: August 07, 2024, 12:26:34 PM »
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  • If you look at groups like the Knights of Columbus, Hibernians, Legion of Mary , etc., these groups just divided many within a parish.  Many of these groups are very Masonic like too.  “Legion”makes me think of the devil and Marian worship.  Many in our area belong to these groups but don’t know the Catholic faith or reject it.  Many in our area belong to these groups and are Freemasons too.  A small number of traditional Catholics go to Eucharistic adoration and confession. Many groups are just social work with prayer thrown in.  

    I notice many Philly cultural Catholics have moved into our area.  Most vote democrat.  They leave their crime filled neighborhoods to create the same unholy mess into our area.

    In the end, the domestic church is neglected.  The faith starts at home.  The father should be leading in home prayers too. Pray the rosary and read the Bible.







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    « Reply #1 on: August 07, 2024, 12:28:48 PM »
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  • Before these groups were created Catholics went to Mass and came home to their families and friends.   Sundays was Mass and family get togethers.  There was no diners open or even donut Sunday.  There was no tv and Sunday football.  Sunday football was planned as a distraction. There was never child sports either.  Many have been deceived.  Catholics especially older Catholics have to be entertained.  
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    « Reply #2 on: August 07, 2024, 02:07:04 PM »
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    Before these groups were created Catholics went to Mass and came home to their families and friends.
    Yeah, this was in the 1800s.  

    As modern inventions gave people more free time, these groups in the 1900s were originally part of Catholic Action and did a lot of charitable works.

    Don't criticize things you don't know the history of.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 07, 2024, 03:35:55 PM »
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  • In the end, the domestic church is neglected.
    Church groups shouldn't be used to escape from the domestic church, but sadly this happens frequently.
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    « Reply #4 on: August 07, 2024, 04:49:02 PM »
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  • If you look at groups like the Knights of Columbus, Hibernians, Legion of Mary , etc., these groups just divided many within a parish.  Many of these groups are very Masonic like too.  “Legion”makes me think of the devil and Marian worship.  Many in our area belong to these groups but don’t know the Catholic faith or reject it.  Many in our area belong to these groups and are Freemasons too.  A small number of traditional Catholics go to Eucharistic adoration and confession. Many groups are just social work with prayer thrown in. 

    I notice many Philly cultural Catholics have moved into our area.  Most vote democrat.  They leave their crime filled neighborhoods to create the same unholy mess into our area.

    In the end, the domestic church is neglected.  The faith starts at home.  The father should be leading in home prayers too. Pray the rosary and read the Bible.
    In the time before these organisations about which you clearly know very little, women kept their mouths shut in public, especially in the presence of men.

    How about you do the same if you sincerely yearn for that before time.
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    « Reply #5 on: August 07, 2024, 05:15:53 PM »
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    O Mary, conceived without sin.
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    The Legion Of Mary was founded in Dublin, Ireland on 7th September 1921. It is a lay Catholic organisation whose members are giving service to the church on a voluntary basis in almost every country.
    The object of the Legion of Mary is the glory of God through the holiness of its members developed by prayer and active co-operation in Mary’s and the Churches work.
    The unit of the Legion of Mary is called a praesidium, which holds a weekly meeting, where prayer is intermingled with reports and discussion. Persons who wish to join the Legion must apply for membership in a Praesidium.
    WORKS OF THE LEGION
    The Legion sees as its priority the spiritual and social welfare of each individual. The members participate in the life of the parish through visitation of families, the sick, both in their homes and in hospitals and through collaboration in every apostolic and missionary undertaking by the parish.
    Every legionary is required to carry out a weekly apostolic work in the spirit of faith and in union with Mary.
    “For all states of the laity the perfect example of spiritual and apostolic life in the most Blessed Virgin Mary, Queen of Apostles, who while leading the life common to all on earth, one filled with family concerns and labours, was always intimately united with her Son and ion an entirely unique way co-operated in the work of the Saviour……All should devoutly venerate her and commend their life and apostolate to her maternal care”.

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    Re: Church organizations
    « Reply #6 on: August 07, 2024, 05:22:31 PM »
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  • There was no diners open or even donut Sunday.  
    What! No donut Sunday?? What about coffee cake Sunday?
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    « Reply #7 on: August 07, 2024, 05:49:22 PM »
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  • What! No donut Sunday?? What about coffee cake Sunday?
    I would prefer Boxty and Jameson Sundays after Mass!

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    Re: Church organizations
    « Reply #8 on: August 07, 2024, 07:10:59 PM »
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  • Before these groups were created Catholics went to Mass and came home to their families and friends.  Sundays was Mass and family get togethers.  There was no diners open or even donut Sunday.  There was no tv and Sunday football.  Sunday football was planned as a distraction. There was never child sports either.  Many have been deceived.  Catholics especially older Catholics have to be entertained. 
    This is a strange, rambling, borderline incoherent post. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. 

    Anyways. Knights of Columbus was created to support Catholic men working dangerous jobs who would frequently be injured or die on the job leaving their families in a terrible state. It was designed as a fraternal organization to support Catholic men. I fail to see anything nefarious here. 

    Are you arguing that some of these organizations have lost their way? That’s one thing, but it sounds like you’re attacking the idea of Catholic fraternal and devotional groups which were a pillar of Catholic society and culture. Strange.
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    « Reply #9 on: August 07, 2024, 07:34:35 PM »
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  • You're against the Legion of Mary ?

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    « Reply #10 on: August 08, 2024, 10:41:45 AM »
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  • Before these groups were created Catholics went to Mass and came home to their families and friends.  Sundays was Mass and family get togethers.  There was no diners open or even donut Sunday.  There was no tv and Sunday football.  Sunday football was planned as a distraction. There was never child sports either.  Many have been deceived.  Catholics especially older Catholics have to be entertained. 
    If only time could return to the Silent Generation!  

    These days, Mass is a two to four hour drive, one way.  Coming home to a delicious home cooked dinner to share with family and friends isn’t happening. Extended family aren’t Catholic and live far away.  Catholic friends are visited over coffee and donuts after Mass. Upon return home, it’s more necessary to put fussy babies and overtired toddlers down for a nap than to start cooking a big dinner.  After a light and easy to prepare supper, Dad may lead in evening prayers, if your family is unusually blessed. Then it’s time to bathe the children, put out clothes for Monday morning, make and pack school and work lunches, then fall into bed because the alarm rings at 6:00 AM or earlier on Monday morning.  
    Single folks who live alone get their weekly social hour after Mass over coffee and donuts.  Then they drive 3 1/2 hours home to an empty house, or perhaps to a hungry pet who needs food and a walk.  Supper is likely to be a frozen meal popped from freezer to microwave.  Then it’s time for evening prayers and bed.  6:00 AM comes around too soon and you can’t be late for work in the morning.  
    It’s a good thing diners and gas stations are open on Sunday, or many of us wouldn’t be able to hear Mass and might have to stop to relieve oneself in the woods. If the diner is too expensive, there are always bags of finger food and bottled beverage to nibble on the way home.  Welcome to Gen Alpha!  


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    « Reply #11 on: August 08, 2024, 11:28:49 AM »
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  • If only time could return to the Silent Generation! 

    These days, Mass is a two to four hour drive, one way.  Coming home to a delicious home cooked dinner to share with family and friends isn’t happening. Extended family aren’t Catholic and live far away.  Catholic friends are visited over coffee and donuts after Mass. Upon return home, it’s more necessary to put fussy babies and overtired toddlers down for a nap than to start cooking a big dinner.  After a light and easy to prepare supper, Dad may lead in evening prayers, if your family is unusually blessed. Then it’s time to bathe the children, put out clothes for Monday morning, make and pack school and work lunches, then fall into bed because the alarm rings at 6:00 AM or earlier on Monday morning. 
    Single folks who live alone get their weekly social hour after Mass over coffee and donuts.  Then they drive 3 1/2 hours home to an empty house, or perhaps to a hungry pet who needs food and a walk.  Supper is likely to be a frozen meal popped from freezer to microwave.  Then it’s time for evening prayers and bed.  6:00 AM comes around too soon and you can’t be late for work in the morning. 
    It’s a good thing diners and gas stations are open on Sunday, or many of us wouldn’t be able to hear Mass and might have to stop to relieve oneself in the woods. If the diner is too expensive, there are always bags of finger food and bottled beverage to nibble on the way home.  Welcome to Gen Alpha! 
    This is another salient point. Some folks at our chapel don’t have any traditional Catholic family and have a limited social circle. They work secular jobs all week. Coffee and donuts after Mass is their only chance all week to step away from the banality of the world and have uplifting conversations with fellow Catholics. Not only do I fail to see the harm in this, but I thing it is outright praiseworthy. I know many good Catholic couples who met their spouses at such coffee hours, men at the parish who have hired younger men looking for work they met at coffee hour etc. this is a very good thing. 
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    « Reply #12 on: August 08, 2024, 11:55:35 AM »
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  • Well, Knights of Columbus have had steak dinners with the Masons.  that was decades ago.

    Was there any pope who blessed the group, that formed, when, early 1800? 

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    « Reply #13 on: August 08, 2024, 02:08:43 PM »
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  • Here is a history of the Knights of Columbus

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Columbus

    It is not a secret society that is trying to take down the Catholic Church, like Freemasons.

    But this brings up an interesting thought, Jesus ate with tax collectors.  Jesus ate with sinners.  Where do we draw the line of how much socializing we do with people who are not Catholic?  The concern is that we might become like the people we hang out with, so how are we suppose to socialize in a very secular world, where most of us don't live within 30 minutes of the church we attend. 

    Maybe if you are weak in your Faith you should not socialize outside of Catholic circles, but if you are strong in the Faith, then God wants you to be an example for others.  How do we know which is the right way to look at it?  I know I am rambling.
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    Re: Church organizations
    « Reply #14 on: August 08, 2024, 02:50:22 PM »
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  • Well, Knights of Columbus have had steak dinners with the Masons.  that was decades ago.

    Was there any pope who blessed the group, that formed, when, early 1800?
    The Knights of Columbus was formed in the late 1800s as a mutual benefit and fraternal society for Catholic men at a time when being working-class and Catholic excluded men from general US society.

    The founder, Fr. Michael McGivney, has been declared blessed in the Novus Ordo Church and this will most likely be confirmed once a real Church hierarchy is restored after this current crisis.

    The Knights were amongst the few US-based organisations to morally and financially support the Mexican Cristeros cause in the 1920s and the Spanish Nationalist cause in the 1930s.
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