Since last night this thread has devolved into questions on the Catholic definition of what we must render unto Caesar IN GENERAL. That is a topic worthy of much discussion, but for now let's stick to the ʝʊdɛօ-MASONIC REPUBLICS UNDER WHICH WE ALL LIVE, so that we can help each other get out of this mess.
I try to hammer this home as often as possible. Our situation is unique. Catholics have lived under evil dictators and emperors before, but never under the dominion of Jews. We are not under Caesar but Caiphas, under the rule of literal anti-Christs, who have an intellectual skill and cunning to deceive souls to hell that is far more frightening than Nero's brute force. He could only take bodies.
I would aver that in such a situation, Maria-B is entirely correct, and that patriotism is unacceptable FOR THOSE WHO REALIZE OUR SITUATION. What you won't or can't acknowledge, Maria-B, is that not all priests DO realize it, and you can't assume that this blindness is proof of conscious тαℓмυdism or Freemasonic ties. You are underestimating the slow-acting poison of American patriotism, a form of magic that has been acting on us for centuries.
I am, by God's grace, completely immune to American patriotism and think it is un-Christian in general. Under Nero, the Christians did not go around waving Roman flags; watching Roman sports; or affixing "Rome the Beautiful" bumper stickers to their cars. They were separate, apart from this pagan world. However, many Catholics think this nation, because it "allows" you to be Catholic -- where other countries outlawed it -- is somehow acceptable to God. It's better than Russia or China; better than Protestant England, etc.
To continue: Maria-B, you strike me as an idealist, full of righteous anger. That makes two of us. But to be able to use our idealism effectively, we must first diagnose the current situation correctly. We can't retreat into a screechy, paranoid shell, huddling in a corner waiting for the Three Days of Darkness. One thing we can try to do, instead of rejecting these sedevac priests outright, is FORCE them to acknowledge what we are saying and give an account of themselves, at least privately to us.
Until then, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt. Has it occurred to you that they may be unable to survive financially if they told the full truth about our country, and would not be able to give us the Sacraments? I can tell you that much if not all of the laity would desert the sedevacantist clergy in DROVES if they said what you and I are saying, and then I wouldn't be able to go to Mass or confess at all.
Before we start -- yep, this is only a prelude -- I must tell you, Maria-B, that you are misusing the word "Americanist." Right away you are showing your eagerly intelligent but untutored side ( that makes two of us! ) "Americanism" is what is happening in Vatican II and is a label for those who aver that all religions more or less are praiseworthy. Have you read Mgr. Delassus' "Americanism and the anti-Christian Conjuration"? Even this arch-conservative never made a blanket condemnation of America.
"Americanist" has nothing to do with being patriotic about our ominous tricolor republic. That is another kind of problem altogether.
Now let me take some of your more extreme points one by one:
The opinion that тαℓмυdic Judaism should be the official religion of the state is a political opinion. Would you say that someone who holds this political opinion is a Catholic?
What you perhaps disingenuously ignore is that not every Catholic who loves America for some reason or another has specifically made a decision for тαℓмυdism in his mind. Nor have most patriots in general. Most people I know who are patriotic, but not religious, know Jews have inordinate power here, but ascribe this to their "industry" and work ethic and intelligence rather than a fiendish plot. Catholics have less excuse not to see through this plot, but just because they DON'T see through it, it doesn't follow that they are part of it.
Of course, you are right, America IS тαℓмυdic. "Separating Church and state," translated from Jewspeak, means "WE'RE taking over now." "Religious liberty" is a codeword for "secret Jєωιѕн hegemony." I always say that in America you have the freedom to be Catholic, but to fight Jєωιѕн wars and worship the golden calf. They have slowly turned around the very meaning of the word "Catholic." However, I'm sure some people in the pews were aware of all this, even if most weren't.
I like to quote Daniel regarding the devil, "Truth shall be cast down on the ground, and he shall do and shall prosper." PROSPER -- that is why, in my interpretation, the supposedly Catholic, but Rosicrucian-symbol-drenched Shakespeare had a character in The Tempest called PROSPERO, representing specifically Henry VIII, and metaphorically the devil, who magicians in literature and film almost always represent, with Caliban as the Frankenstein's monster that represents the spiritually deformed children of Henry VIII's revolution. Protestantism/Anglican revolution broke the power of the Church; it eventually led to the acceptance of ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic democracy; and the acceptance of this democracy led to communism. The devil is truly prospering, playing all of these false systems against each other. That is why we have "contradictions" like democratic America fighting in WWII with communist Russia against socialist Germany. But it is really no contradiction at all. This is what happens when the Catholic Church loses its central, privileged position, and people allow secular motives to creep into their thoughts.
We are all the children of Henry VIII's rebellion, and of his narcissistic daughter Elizabeth's even more vicious rule, with its Protestant-Rosicrucian blend, which went head-to-head with Catholic Spain and, through the power of witch- and spycraft -- ultimately the same thing -- destroyed the Church as the primary temporal power in the world. Michael Hoffman shows how the Elizabethan era is a sort of mirror of our own time, and that we are living in her insane anti-Catholic and anti-Christ dream ( although she listened to Protestant ministers and claimed to believe in Christ ). This is also the subject of books like Alice in Wonderland with its Mad Hatter, who is Satan, and Red Queen, who is Elizabeth. The new Tim Burton film casts a POLISH GIRL, representing the Catholics, as the perpetually threatened Alice, because that is who this conspiracy is really aimed against -- the Catholics. That is why the Polish Catholics were brutalized by both "sides" -- which were really, at the top, run by the same forces -- during and after World War II. Crushed by nαzιs, then abandoned by their American "friends" to communist Jews, as was surely pre-arranged.
Here is the Red Queen from the new Alice film, showing who she really is, another production of Kabbalistic Hollywood and its demon-possessed magicians, taunting the lobotomized hoi polloi --
Elizabeth Tudor, with the help of her ( most likely Jєωιѕн ) magus John Dee was like a witch who put the world under her anti-Catholic spell, one of the most monstrous figures in history, a woman who dared, and in the 16th century no less, to place herself at the head of a church and order all to submit to her "spiritual" as well as temporal authority or die -- it's so fantastic that you wonder how the Anti-Christ can top it for sheer science-fiction weirdness, but it really happened. You can read about the "Christian Kabbalism" that flourished under her reign and culminated in Vatican II, where the name of Christ is used to mean something completely different.
The mystery of iniquity did not begin with Elizabeth, but she really got it rolling. Once the key Catholic power of Spain was defeated by her, we began to see the formation of that shadowy, ghoulish web of plotters and planners, where wars are not begun by greedy kings for money but for some mysterious, unstated purpose, which, with 20/20 hindsight, reveals itself as the destruction of the monarchies. Some of the monarchs had socialist tendencies and worked for their own destruction, just as the VII Popes try to reduce the powers of the "Papacy," which the Modernists not-so-secretly hate. All of this is part of the alchemical, Kabbalistic stratagem that will -- or did -- ultimately enthrone Anti-Christ, or at the very least a precursor.
I could go on and on about this, showing how the devil, piece by piece, has reduced his ancient enemy, the Catholics, to a handful and put the entire world into a dream state that would seem inescapable. I could talk on and on about how we are witnessing the hour of his greatest triumph, the WITCHING HOUR, where witches, male and female, outnumber Catholics to a far greater degree that Catholics once outnumbered witches in the Middle Ages. But I'll refrain. I mention all of this just to show you that I fully understand the тαℓмυdic, occult significance of our wretched nation, so it would be much appreciated if you gave me some credit and stopped acting like I was some kind of rat-fink compromiser and not worthy to call myself Catholic.
I am not the only one who knows all of this, either. Not by a longshot. There are others who have put the big picture together to a greater or lesser degree, on this website and especially in France ( preparations for the Monarch? ) But it's very few. How many can comprehend that an entire, teeming, populous and diverse nation is a trick of the devil, just one more move on his chessboard, and then live and work and raise a family here at the same time? To acknowledge this is to put yourself into a world of pain, it will end your chance to have any kind of normal life. Just as very few can see through Vatican II, it takes another kind of grace to see through America as well, the patriotism having been so ingrained in us since birth. For some reason, people are half-and-half -- either they are conspiracy theorists who get the "nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr" but have no faith and aren't Catholic; or they are Catholics who are "Republican" and watch Fox News. Only a handful have figured out the cօռspιʀαcιҽs, and on top of THAT are believers with the grace of God. Just knowing about cօռspιʀαcιҽs doesn't mean you'll attain the gratuitous gift of faith; and having a lukewarm faith, that is really worldly comfort, probably won't be good enough to tune you into the full truth of our era.
To sum up, if you have borne with me through this crude and abbreviated history lesson, you are drawing incorrect conclusions from your premise. You assume that every Catholic who doesn't see the тαℓмυdic plot is automatically part of it. But what if they just don't get it?
ALMOST NO ONE GETS IT, whether this is because of denial, lack of grace, or having not read the right things and put the puzzle together. You can go back through the history of the Church and I doubt you will find many Catholic priests in any country who said, as cut-and-dried as we are saying, that America is тαℓмυdic, let alone, as I am saying, that it's Elizabethan/Rosicrucian/magical i.e. Mystery Babylon. It takes a certain kind of frenetic, passionate mind to be able to even comprehend just how detailed and devious the plans of Satan have been. Most people just don't have that kind of mind. But pretty soon, I believe, what I am whispering here will be shouted from the rooftops. Soon it will be impossible to ignore the anti-Catholic conspiracy. We are in the vanguard of a great awakening, which may be the promised Triumph of the Immaculate Heart. So let's pray God uses us to His advantage.
Moving on ( this is going to be lengthy ) you criticize all the Popes of the last 300 years thus:
This is because they were evil and cared more about temporal peace.
You are trafficking here in some dangerous "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" philosophy. Should the Church have allowed itself to be crushed out of existence by refusing all compromise with the likes of Garibaldi and his kind of republic? What about all the fractious kings and princes during the Middle Ages who tried to reduce its power, or even French kings like Louis XIV, essentially Gallicans with their own Church, who did not fully obey the Pope? Should the Church have refused all contact with them?
You seem to want the Church to have TOTAL TEMPORAL POWER over the whole world, to the point where anyone who thinks otherwise is a heretic, at the same time as you complain that it's temporal at all... You want no compromises, no diplomacy, no politics. Again, you are a victim of perhaps the most perfect idealism I have ever seen. You want heaven and you want it here and now. That is admirable, and I relate, but it's not reality.
About Pius IX saying Washington was a "great man":
Didn't you just say something in another thread about trusting certain authors? What book was this? And when did Pius IX allegedly say this? Was it in a public docuмent?
This is from a book by one John Cassidy, an American seminarian in Rome who met Pius IX on several occasions. The book dates from the 19th century, obviously, so I'm not contradicting myself nor trusting a Vatican II author. The book is called "Personal Reminiscences of Pope Pius IX," you can find it on Google Books, and the quote in question is on page 24.
"The occasion of the first visit to our college will long be remembered by all present, and especially in the memories of the inmates it will ever be treasured as one of the brightest spots in their existence. Dignitaries and detachments from other colleges envied our success in giving the Holy Father a grand ( they said unequalled ) ovation. They envied us too, and with reason, the more than ordinary complacence and interest he displayed in us; but their envy was a holy one. He walked with us through the college halls, and when in front of a bust of the "Father of his country," he remarked that 'Washington was a great man'..."
Undoubtedly if you were there Maria-Bernada, living up to your principles, you would have called him a тαℓмυdic, turned on your heels, and gone back to your Catholic Church of one. But in REALITY this is a private comment. Everyone in the Church, including the Pope, let alone garden-variety priests, can entertain error about politics. Popes throughout history have made disastrous political mistakes. The Church is only perfectly truthful when it teaches on matters of faith and morals from the Magisterium.
I admire your spunk and I'm not insulting you in this post. On the contrary. But to say that all priests who are patriotic are Freemasons or Freemasonic sympathizers is way off base, and borders on fearmongering. It's more accurate to say they have been infected by living in a Freemasonic bubble all their lives, as have we all, more or less.
We must be on our guard against patriotism though because it may suck us into yet another unjust war, in this case one that would have as its motive the restoration not of Christ the King, but of the Constitution. I have often felt that people like Alex Jones are setting up a 2nd American Revolution against the likes of Obama, who is probably a stooge meant to rile people up. Many Catholics here will go along with such a cινιℓ ωαr. You'll be able to find me on a boat to France. I am thoroughly unconcerned with my "rights" and "liberty" as promised by the Freemasonic Constitution, because it's a scam. I will only fight for the Church.
You didn't respond to the point I made after the sentence you quoted, about pagans (who don't even believe in original sin) who can validly baptize, which proves the "personal motive" position illogical. You didn't answer my question either.
One of us should open another thread about the baptism question. I don't want to muddy the issues here. Freemasons are different than pagans because they are deliberately setting themselves in opposition to Christ where pagans simply don't believe in Him. That means a Freemasonic baptism could have Satanic intent.
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