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Re: Buenas Aires Eucharistic Miracle?
« Reply #75 on: July 24, 2018, 12:30:12 AM »
Pax, I did not put words in your mouth.  You said: Paul VI's heretical status is irrelevant.   

Re: Buenas Aires Eucharistic Miracle?
« Reply #76 on: July 24, 2018, 12:50:14 AM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X2bymrcN93M#fauxfullscreen

Bishop Williamson talking about eucharistic miracles in the novus ordo.

From minute 47

"Fasten your seatbelts"


Re: Buenas Aires Eucharistic Miracle?
« Reply #77 on: July 24, 2018, 01:32:49 AM »
I am actually surprised that the NO kept these verses at all.
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I used to think the same thing. Then I met a priest who had said the Novus Ordo Newmass for about 15 years before he gave it up for the TLM. He said that during his time with the Newmass he noticed that one day in three years the "end times gospel" of Matt. 24 was read. If he had not explained that to me I wouldn't have known, because I never heard that Gospel read in the Newmass. This priest looked forward to that day because he really liked to give sermons based on that Gospel. So much so that in the other 2 years when it was not the Gospel he would make his sermon on Matt. 24 anyway! 
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Here in L.A., under Cardfile Balony, who HATED the TLM with a passion, when he printed liturgy readings he would use decimal points between verse numbers, meaning they were to only read the verses he noted, and they would skip the verses between those, so his "lectors" would do a hit-and-miss reading of the Bible passages. When asked about it, Mahony replied that you don't have to read every single word in the Bible, that you can read just your favorite verses, and he was showing everyone what his faves are. 
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Re: Buenas Aires Eucharistic Miracle?
« Reply #78 on: July 24, 2018, 02:39:05 AM »
Does the pope speak from the Chair of St Peter when he says mass?  Is he teaching dogmatically during mass?  Of course not.  You need to read up on what infallibility is.
In a way, the Pope speaks from the Chair of St. Peter every time he says the NO, or permits the NO to be said by his bishops and priests. The NO certainly has recent Popes' approbation.  Are you suggesting the Mass isn't a matter of faith? The Mass is unquestionably a matter of faith, not just discipline. Popes are protected in matters of Faith and Morals--infallibly.  Since the Mass is a matter of Faith, does it not follow they Popes were protected from making the Mass defunct?  Either Popes have erred in this matter of Faith by providing a Mass that isn't a Mass, and the NO does not confect the Sacrament.  Or, the NO is valid, teaches the bare minimum basics of faith and actually does confect the Sacrament, because the Church protected the sheep as far as was possible, and Christ lovingly feeds them His Flesh as promised.  No one here on CI doubts that the NO is not what the TLM is, but in order to protect the veracity of the Church, should we doubt what the Church did under the authority of Popes?  Should we depart from the Church's authority because they permitted the NO?  Or should we submit as Christ did (in all things but sin), fight the modernism within, stay with the TLM, yet refuse to give up what belongs to us--millions of fellow Catholics!  It seems to me Trads are far too willing to count as lost the NOs by saying NOs are not Catholic. (Ok, many are not...but not all). Those who insist NOs are not Catholic sounds to me like people who are setting up their own Church separate from the authorities to which they know they are bound. I keep getting faced with these two options: either the Popes erred promoting a false Mass and lost 95% of Catholics back in 1970, or authorities (in spite of themselves) were protected from going too far so that loyal stragglers, weak minded and the uninformed might still be fed by Christ until they wake up.  The latter makes more sense to me.   


    
  

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Re: Buenas Aires Eucharistic Miracle?
« Reply #79 on: July 24, 2018, 10:25:37 AM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X2bymrcN93M#fauxfullscreen

Bishop Williamson talking about eucharistic miracles in the novus ordo.

From minute 47

"Fasten your seatbelts"

Thanks for posting the link to the video. A little more of the quote from Bp. Williamson in the video:

"Fasten your seatbelts. You're not gonna like what you're gonna hear. Personally, I take the evidence first, and the conclusions from the evidence. I don't start with my conclusions and say the evidence is true or false."

As Bishop Williamson has said in the past, it would be a mistake to think that there is no faith left in the Novus Ordo. He thought that the Novus Ordo priest in the alleged Polish eucharistic miracle seemed sincere.