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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Best state to move to
« on: May 03, 2020, 04:56:24 PM »
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  • What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

    1) Mass options

    2) Conservative political atmosphere and freedom 

    3) Homeschooling

    4) Gun laws

    5) Taxes

    6) Weather 

    7) Vaccine issues

    8) Covid-19 nonsense 

    9) Any other issues.....



    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Best state to move to
    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2020, 05:00:34 PM »
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  • What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

    1) Mass options

    2) Conservative political atmosphere and freedom

    3) Homeschooling

    4) Gun laws

    5) Taxes

    6) Weather

    7) Vaccine issues

    8) Covid-19 nonsense

    9) Any other issues.....

    1) Kansas

    2) Idaho

    3) Montana
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    Re: Best state to move to
    « Reply #2 on: May 03, 2020, 05:58:26 PM »
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  • 1) Kansas

    2) Idaho

    3) Montana
    Yes, possibly Idaho. Montana, not sure. Kansas is too flat. Being a north easterner, I’m leaning toward New Hampshire.
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    Re: Best state to move to
    « Reply #3 on: May 03, 2020, 05:58:59 PM »
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  • Let's see.  I can tell you what state not to move to..... ;)

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    Re: Best state to move to
    « Reply #4 on: May 03, 2020, 06:23:05 PM »
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  • What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

    1) Mass options

    2) Conservative political atmosphere and freedom

    3) Homeschooling

    4) Gun laws

    5) Taxes

    6) Weather

    7) Vaccine issues

    8) Covid-19 nonsense

    9) Any other issues.....
    1. Kansas, has SAJM, SSPX, FSSP and various odds-n-ends.
    4. Kansas has constitutional carry (no permit needed) and it also has CCW permits for those who want to carry in other states
    8. South Dakota, they are not playing the COVID game


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    Re: Best state to move to
    « Reply #5 on: May 03, 2020, 09:01:27 PM »
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  • I would recommend:

    1. Kansas
    2. Virginia
    3. Ohio
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    Re: Best state to move to
    « Reply #6 on: May 03, 2020, 09:55:31 PM »
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  • Yes, possibly Idaho. Montana, not sure. Kansas is too flat. Being a north easterner, I’m leaning toward New Hampshire.
    NH has no income tax or sales tax.

    Good on gun rights

    Good on homeschooling

    Republican governor

    SSPX, CMRI, and other mass options.  

    4 Seasons of weather

    No bothering on vaccines

    Currently working to reopen state from Covid

    If anyone does move there, make sure you vote, because more liberals have been moving there In recent years and it’s now a swing state, so don’t let the Dems take it over and make it into another New York or Massachusetts.    

    I don’t live in NH but know a lot of people that live there and it’s probably the best option for conservatives in the Northeast.  


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    Re: Best state to move to
    « Reply #7 on: May 04, 2020, 06:10:45 AM »
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  • NH has no income tax or sales tax.

    Good on gun rights

    Good on homeschooling

    Republican governor

    SSPX, CMRI, and other mass options.  

    4 Seasons of weather

    No bothering on vaccines

    Currently working to reopen state from Covid

    If anyone does move there, make sure you vote, because more liberals have been moving there In recent years and it’s now a swing state, so don’t let the Dems take it over and make it into another New York or Massachusetts.    

    I don’t live in NH but know a lot of people that live there and it’s probably the best option for conservatives in the Northeast.  


    There are still a lot of good things about NH, but here are some drawbacks:  1) the governor seems like a RINO. 2) They are dragging their feet with reopening due to this overblown pandemic. 3) I like the spring, summer, and fall, but I hate winter. 4) homeschooling laws could be a bit better. 5) and as you said, there are a lot of commies moving there. For some reason they become discontented with the utopian cesspool that they’ve created and want to move out and destroy another place.

    Here’s a true story: About 20 years ago a group formed in my city to push for a new high school. It got voted down twice. The third time was the charmer....they got it. Anyway, one day I was discussing the issue with a retired school teacher who was a proponent of the new school and I made the point of how the local taxes were now going to increase. Her answer was that she didn’t care because she was in the process of moving out of the area!
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    Re: Best state to move to
    « Reply #8 on: May 04, 2020, 07:35:08 AM »
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  • Let's see.  I can tell you what state not to move to..... ;)

    Lol...yeah, if we’re not at the bottom of the list, Minnesota is darn close to it.

    Here’s the best pros/cons list I can come up with (note: this list is how most people would judge, not necessarily my view on pros/cons):

    Pros:  Multiple SSPX/sede locations in both metro area and rural locations throughout state, as well as FSSP and diocesan indults; vast wilderness areas in north and northeast portions of state for survivalist and hunting retreats; lakes everywhere for water and fish; firewood throughout northern and northeast of state for heat; can opt out of heel stick test for newborn hospital deliveries; best autism schools and programs in the country; highest unemployment comp payments in country; extensive parks system; homeschooling still possible; large agricultural base in our state regions.

    Cons: High taxes on every front (income, sales, property, estate, etc); inflated land and house values; high utility costs; high food prices; ultra-liberal culture and political environment pervades all aspects of life here (academia, media, political, medical, social, economic, immigration); disproportionately large percentage of Zionist Jews in government, medicine, and law; brutal winters (snow from October-April) and frigid temperatures; 2nd largest per capital ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ population in the country (and they aren’t in the closet here).
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    Re: Best state to move to
    « Reply #9 on: May 04, 2020, 10:03:31 AM »
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  • Kansas is too flat. 
    Western Kansas is flat. Eastern Kansas, where all the different masses are offered, is wonderfully wooded, hilled and lush. It's beautiful. Kansas is home to the Flint Hills which rival any mountain in beauty. But perhaps I am biased. (This coming from a born Kansan who has lived in several areas of the state.)
    I can't say much for the political atmosphere these days. The she-governer is a rabid liberal. Once a safe haven for the unborn, it is now a hostile place for the Innocents.
    Homeschooling has very few requirements/restrictions, so that is nice.
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    Re: Best state to move to
    « Reply #10 on: May 04, 2020, 01:23:58 PM »
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  • What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

    1) Mass options
    Texas scores low in this area. Probably a C- or D+. Depends on where you live. Huge state, not a huge number of Trads. Have to gather Trads from 100 mile radius to scrape together a viable chapel for priest to say Mass. That having been said, there are SSPX, 1 Resistance, a couple Fr. Pfeiffer chapels, and a Sede chapel in Houston. Bp. Trinh used to say Mass near Austin (independent) don't know if he still does.

    Texans measure distance in "hours" rather than "miles". Because in 1 hour, you can find yourself 70 - 90 miles from where you started.

    2) Conservative political atmosphere and freedom
    Texas gets an A in this department. Governor declared religious services to be "essential" from the very beginning. One of the first states to re-open, etc. No license to own guns, castle doctrine, big on capital punishment, and concealed carry is only a couple classes and a license fee away and you're set. Like most states, the cities are liberal and all the rural areas are conservative. Still, Texas manages to be Red every presidential election. For now. The Mexicans love to vote Democrat for some reason.

    3) Homeschooling
    I'd have to give Texas an A here. No restrictions, tests, requirements at all.

    4) Gun laws
    Texas gets an A. No license required to *own* guns. Lots of people own, love, and shoot guns. Even concealed carry is easy to achieve. The old Texas stereotype is still somewhat alive today -- yee-haw!

    5) Taxes
    No income tax, but property taxes can be high, depending on where you live.

    6) Weather
    Texas gets a C here, on average. Great winters! But let's not talk about the hot, humid summers. You *have* to run A/C from late April through mid-October, even if you're a fresh air fiend/super frugal. That's because it doesn't go below 70 even at night. During the heat of summer it goes up to 100 (sometimes over) and barely reaches the high 70's by 6 AM the next morning. And those 90's and 100's aren't counting the Heat Index -- it's very humid. The "feels like" temperature often hits 110 or worse. A whole house fan isn't going to do ya. In the evening/overnight, our house is always 7 or 8 degrees hotter than the ambient outdoor temperature. Oh, and those nighttime temps? As the temp goes DOWN, the humidity goes UP proportionately. So even if it's a "pleasant" 75, it's also 95% humidity. So you can't get comfortable enough to sleep.


    7) Vaccine issues
    Texas lets you exempt every vaccine for any reason. If you're an idiot and want to send your kids to public school, I don't know. But our kids are quite involved in free kids music classes at the local college, and they've never hassled us for being anti-vax.

    8) Covid-19 nonsense
    There's insanity around here as elsewhere, but ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY AT THE NATIONAL CHAINS. Home Depot, Taco Cabana. A more local chain, Bill Miller BBQ, doesn't even have their crew wear masks. Taco Cabana *requires* a mask for entry to the restaurant. And their employees wear gloves AND masks.

    9) Any other issues.....
    Cheap and available land is a big plus. Also, when it comes to "minority" issues I'll just say that not all minorities are created equal. I much prefer the dominant minority around here, compared with the dominant minority back in Illinois. Speaking of minorities -- white people will probably be a minority soon. In parts of Texas, we already are. For details, you can google the demographics of Texas.

    And Texas puts more criminals to death than any other state. I'm very happy about this. If you google Capital Punishment stats, you'll find that they often break it down "Texas" and "everyone else" to give more meaningful results. We're in a class by ourselves when it comes to capital punishment. hahaha

    Overall, I'm quite happy here.
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    Re: Best state to move to
    « Reply #11 on: May 04, 2020, 01:32:52 PM »
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  • Here are the death penalty stats by state:

    37.5% of ALL executions (since 1976) have been in Texas.

    I love it! I wish they'd be 3-4X as quick to execute those murderers, child abusers, and rapists.

    Those of us who don't intend to murder or rape someone have nothing to worry about.
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  • The state of Grace is my best option, since I'm stuck here in the once-great California which was ruined by all the newcomers after WW2.
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  • What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

    1) Mass options
    Texas scores low in this area. Probably a C- or D+. Depends on where you live. Huge state, not a huge number of Trads. Have to gather Trads from 100 mile radius to scrape together a viable chapel for priest to say Mass. That having been said, there are SSPX, 1 Resistance, a couple Fr. Pfeiffer chapels, and a Sede chapel in Houston. Bp. Trinh used to say Mass near Austin (independent) don't know if he still does.

    Texans measure distance in "hours" rather than "miles". Because in 1 hour, you can find yourself 70 - 90 miles from where you started.

    2) Conservative political atmosphere and freedom
    Texas gets an A in this department. Governor declared religious services to be "essential" from the very beginning. One of the first states to re-open, etc. No license to own guns, castle doctrine, big on capital punishment, and concealed carry is only a couple classes and a license fee away and you're set. Like most states, the cities are liberal and all the rural areas are conservative. Still, Texas manages to be Red every presidential election. For now. The Mexicans love to vote Democrat for some reason.

    3) Homeschooling
    I'd have to give Texas an A here. No restrictions, tests, requirements at all.

    4) Gun laws
    Texas gets an A. No license required to *own* guns. Lots of people own, love, and shoot guns. Even concealed carry is easy to achieve. The old Texas stereotype is still somewhat alive today -- yee-haw!

    5) Taxes
    No income tax, but property taxes can be high, depending on where you live.

    6) Weather
    Texas gets a C here, on average. Great winters! But let's not talk about the hot, humid summers. You *have* to run A/C from late April through mid-October, even if you're a fresh air fiend/super frugal. That's because it doesn't go below 70 even at night. During the heat of summer it goes up to 100 (sometimes over) and barely reaches the high 70's by 6 AM the next morning. And those 90's and 100's aren't counting the Heat Index -- it's very humid. The "feels like" temperature often hits 110 or worse. A whole house fan isn't going to do ya. In the evening/overnight, our house is always 7 or 8 degrees hotter than the ambient outdoor temperature. Oh, and those nighttime temps? As the temp goes DOWN, the humidity goes UP proportionately. So even if it's a "pleasant" 75, it's also 95% humidity. So you can't get comfortable enough to sleep.


    7) Vaccine issues
    Texas lets you exempt every vaccine for any reason. If you're an idiot and want to send your kids to public school, I don't know. But our kids are quite involved in free kids music classes at the local college, and they've never hassled us for being anti-vax.

    8) Covid-19 nonsense
    There's insanity around here as elsewhere, but ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY AT THE NATIONAL CHAINS. Home Depot, Taco Cabana. A more local chain, Bill Miller BBQ, doesn't even have their crew wear masks. Taco Cabana *requires* a mask for entry to the restaurant. And their employees wear gloves AND masks.

    9) Any other issues.....
    Cheap and available land is a big plus. Also, when it comes to "minority" issues I'll just say that not all minorities are created equal. I much prefer the dominant minority around here, compared with the dominant minority back in Illinois. Speaking of minorities -- white people will probably be a minority soon. In parts of Texas, we already are. For details, you can google the demographics of Texas.

    And Texas puts more criminals to death than any other state. I'm very happy about this. If you google Capital Punishment stats, you'll find that they often break it down "Texas" and "everyone else" to give more meaningful results. We're in a class by ourselves when it comes to capital punishment. hahaha

    Overall, I'm quite happy here.
    Yes, I’m considering Texas. There are a lot of good points. It may be too hot for me, but not my wife. 😀
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    Re: Best state to move to
    « Reply #14 on: May 04, 2020, 02:14:41 PM »
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  • What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

    1) Mass options
    Texas scores low in this area...Bp. Trinh used to say Mass near Austin (independent) don't know if he still does.

    BISHOP Trinh?

    As in the Vietnamese Benedictine monk?

    He is a bishop now???
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