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Title: Best state to move to
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on May 03, 2020, 04:56:24 PM
What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

1) Mass options

2) Conservative political atmosphere and freedom 

3) Homeschooling

4) Gun laws

5) Taxes

6) Weather 

7) Vaccine issues

8) Covid-19 nonsense 

9) Any other issues.....



Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: SeanJohnson on May 03, 2020, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 03, 2020, 04:56:24 PM
What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

1) Mass options

2) Conservative political atmosphere and freedom

3) Homeschooling

4) Gun laws

5) Taxes

6) Weather

7) Vaccine issues

8) Covid-19 nonsense

9) Any other issues.....

1) Kansas

2) Idaho

3) Montana
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on May 03, 2020, 05:58:26 PM
Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 03, 2020, 05:00:34 PM
1) Kansas

2) Idaho

3) Montana
Yes, possibly Idaho. Montana, not sure. Kansas is too flat. Being a north easterner, I’m leaning toward New Hampshire.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: 2Vermont on May 03, 2020, 05:58:59 PM
Let's see.  I can tell you what state not to move to..... ;)
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Mr G on May 03, 2020, 06:23:05 PM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 03, 2020, 04:56:24 PM
What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

1) Mass options

2) Conservative political atmosphere and freedom

3) Homeschooling

4) Gun laws

5) Taxes

6) Weather

7) Vaccine issues

8) Covid-19 nonsense

9) Any other issues.....
1. Kansas, has SAJM, SSPX, FSSP and various odds-n-ends.
4. Kansas has constitutional carry (no permit needed) and it also has CCW permits for those who want to carry in other states
8. South Dakota, they are not playing the COVID game
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: CatholicMonarchist on May 03, 2020, 09:01:27 PM
I would recommend:

1. Kansas
2. Virginia
3. Ohio
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Bellato on May 03, 2020, 09:55:31 PM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 03, 2020, 05:58:26 PM
Yes, possibly Idaho. Montana, not sure. Kansas is too flat. Being a north easterner, I’m leaning toward New Hampshire.
NH has no income tax or sales tax.

Good on gun rights

Good on homeschooling

Republican governor

SSPX, CMRI, and other mass options.  

4 Seasons of weather

No bothering on vaccines

Currently working to reopen state from Covid

If anyone does move there, make sure you vote, because more liberals have been moving there In recent years and it’s now a swing state, so don’t let the Dems take it over and make it into another New York or Massachusetts.    

I don’t live in NH but know a lot of people that live there and it’s probably the best option for conservatives in the Northeast.  

Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on May 04, 2020, 06:10:45 AM
Quote from: Bellato on May 03, 2020, 09:55:31 PM
NH has no income tax or sales tax.

Good on gun rights

Good on homeschooling

Republican governor

SSPX, CMRI, and other mass options.  

4 Seasons of weather

No bothering on vaccines

Currently working to reopen state from Covid

If anyone does move there, make sure you vote, because more liberals have been moving there In recent years and it’s now a swing state, so don’t let the Dems take it over and make it into another New York or Massachusetts.    

I don’t live in NH but know a lot of people that live there and it’s probably the best option for conservatives in the Northeast.  


There are still a lot of good things about NH, but here are some drawbacks:  1) the governor seems like a RINO. 2) They are dragging their feet with reopening due to this overblown pandemic. 3) I like the spring, summer, and fall, but I hate winter. 4) homeschooling laws could be a bit better. 5) and as you said, there are a lot of commies moving there. For some reason they become discontented with the utopian cesspool that they’ve created and want to move out and destroy another place.

Here’s a true story: About 20 years ago a group formed in my city to push for a new high school. It got voted down twice. The third time was the charmer....they got it. Anyway, one day I was discussing the issue with a retired school teacher who was a proponent of the new school and I made the point of how the local taxes were now going to increase. Her answer was that she didn’t care because she was in the process of moving out of the area!
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: SeanJohnson on May 04, 2020, 07:35:08 AM
Quote from: 2Vermont on May 03, 2020, 05:58:59 PM
Let's see.  I can tell you what state not to move to..... ;)

Lol...yeah, if we’re not at the bottom of the list, Minnesota is darn close to it.

Here’s the best pros/cons list I can come up with (note: this list is how most people would judge, not necessarily my view on pros/cons):

Pros:  Multiple SSPX/sede locations in both metro area and rural locations throughout state, as well as FSSP and diocesan indults; vast wilderness areas in north and northeast portions of state for survivalist and hunting retreats; lakes everywhere for water and fish; firewood throughout northern and northeast of state for heat; can opt out of heel stick test for newborn hospital deliveries; best autism schools and programs in the country; highest unemployment comp payments in country; extensive parks system; homeschooling still possible; large agricultural base in our state regions.

Cons: High taxes on every front (income, sales, property, estate, etc); inflated land and house values; high utility costs; high food prices; ultra-liberal culture and political environment pervades all aspects of life here (academia, media, political, medical, social, economic, immigration); disproportionately large percentage of Zionist Jews in government, medicine, and law; brutal winters (snow from October-April) and frigid temperatures; 2nd largest per capital ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ population in the country (and they aren’t in the closet here).
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: jen51 on May 04, 2020, 10:03:31 AM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 03, 2020, 05:58:26 PM
Kansas is too flat. 
Western Kansas is flat. Eastern Kansas, where all the different masses are offered, is wonderfully wooded, hilled and lush. It's beautiful. Kansas is home to the Flint Hills which rival any mountain in beauty. But perhaps I am biased. (This coming from a born Kansan who has lived in several areas of the state.)
I can't say much for the political atmosphere these days. The she-governer is a rabid liberal. Once a safe haven for the unborn, it is now a hostile place for the Innocents.
Homeschooling has very few requirements/restrictions, so that is nice.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Matthew on May 04, 2020, 01:23:58 PM
What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

1) Mass options
Texas scores low in this area. Probably a C- or D+. Depends on where you live. Huge state, not a huge number of Trads. Have to gather Trads from 100 mile radius to scrape together a viable chapel for priest to say Mass. That having been said, there are SSPX, 1 Resistance, a couple Fr. Pfeiffer chapels, and a Sede chapel in Houston. Bp. Trinh used to say Mass near Austin (independent) don't know if he still does.

Texans measure distance in "hours" rather than "miles". Because in 1 hour, you can find yourself 70 - 90 miles from where you started.

2) Conservative political atmosphere and freedom
Texas gets an A in this department. Governor declared religious services to be "essential" from the very beginning. One of the first states to re-open, etc. No license to own guns, castle doctrine, big on capital punishment, and concealed carry is only a couple classes and a license fee away and you're set. Like most states, the cities are liberal and all the rural areas are conservative. Still, Texas manages to be Red every presidential election. For now. The Mexicans love to vote Democrat for some reason.

3) Homeschooling
I'd have to give Texas an A here. No restrictions, tests, requirements at all.

4) Gun laws
Texas gets an A. No license required to *own* guns. Lots of people own, love, and shoot guns. Even concealed carry is easy to achieve. The old Texas stereotype is still somewhat alive today -- yee-haw!

5) Taxes
No income tax, but property taxes can be high, depending on where you live.

6) Weather
Texas gets a C here, on average. Great winters! But let's not talk about the hot, humid summers. You *have* to run A/C from late April through mid-October, even if you're a fresh air fiend/super frugal. That's because it doesn't go below 70 even at night. During the heat of summer it goes up to 100 (sometimes over) and barely reaches the high 70's by 6 AM the next morning. And those 90's and 100's aren't counting the Heat Index -- it's very humid. The "feels like" temperature often hits 110 or worse. A whole house fan isn't going to do ya. In the evening/overnight, our house is always 7 or 8 degrees hotter than the ambient outdoor temperature. Oh, and those nighttime temps? As the temp goes DOWN, the humidity goes UP proportionately. So even if it's a "pleasant" 75, it's also 95% humidity. So you can't get comfortable enough to sleep.


7) Vaccine issues
Texas lets you exempt every vaccine for any reason. If you're an idiot and want to send your kids to public school, I don't know. But our kids are quite involved in free kids music classes at the local college, and they've never hassled us for being anti-vax.

8) Covid-19 nonsense
There's insanity around here as elsewhere, but ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY AT THE NATIONAL CHAINS. Home Depot, Taco Cabana. A more local chain, Bill Miller BBQ, doesn't even have their crew wear masks. Taco Cabana *requires* a mask for entry to the restaurant. And their employees wear gloves AND masks.

9) Any other issues.....
Cheap and available land is a big plus. Also, when it comes to "minority" issues I'll just say that not all minorities are created equal. I much prefer the dominant minority around here, compared with the dominant minority back in Illinois. Speaking of minorities -- white people will probably be a minority soon. In parts of Texas, we already are. For details, you can google the demographics of Texas.

And Texas puts more criminals to death than any other state. I'm very happy about this. If you google Capital Punishment stats, you'll find that they often break it down "Texas" and "everyone else" to give more meaningful results. We're in a class by ourselves when it comes to capital punishment. hahaha

Overall, I'm quite happy here.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Matthew on May 04, 2020, 01:32:52 PM
Here are the death penalty stats by state:

37.5% of ALL executions (since 1976) have been in Texas.

I love it! I wish they'd be 3-4X as quick to execute those murderers, child abusers, and rapists.

Those of us who don't intend to murder or rape someone have nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Cera on May 04, 2020, 01:55:10 PM
The state of Grace is my best option, since I'm stuck here in the once-great California which was ruined by all the newcomers after WW2.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on May 04, 2020, 02:01:26 PM
Quote from: Matthew on May 04, 2020, 01:23:58 PM
What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

1) Mass options
Texas scores low in this area. Probably a C- or D+. Depends on where you live. Huge state, not a huge number of Trads. Have to gather Trads from 100 mile radius to scrape together a viable chapel for priest to say Mass. That having been said, there are SSPX, 1 Resistance, a couple Fr. Pfeiffer chapels, and a Sede chapel in Houston. Bp. Trinh used to say Mass near Austin (independent) don't know if he still does.

Texans measure distance in "hours" rather than "miles". Because in 1 hour, you can find yourself 70 - 90 miles from where you started.

2) Conservative political atmosphere and freedom
Texas gets an A in this department. Governor declared religious services to be "essential" from the very beginning. One of the first states to re-open, etc. No license to own guns, castle doctrine, big on capital punishment, and concealed carry is only a couple classes and a license fee away and you're set. Like most states, the cities are liberal and all the rural areas are conservative. Still, Texas manages to be Red every presidential election. For now. The Mexicans love to vote Democrat for some reason.

3) Homeschooling
I'd have to give Texas an A here. No restrictions, tests, requirements at all.

4) Gun laws
Texas gets an A. No license required to *own* guns. Lots of people own, love, and shoot guns. Even concealed carry is easy to achieve. The old Texas stereotype is still somewhat alive today -- yee-haw!

5) Taxes
No income tax, but property taxes can be high, depending on where you live.

6) Weather
Texas gets a C here, on average. Great winters! But let's not talk about the hot, humid summers. You *have* to run A/C from late April through mid-October, even if you're a fresh air fiend/super frugal. That's because it doesn't go below 70 even at night. During the heat of summer it goes up to 100 (sometimes over) and barely reaches the high 70's by 6 AM the next morning. And those 90's and 100's aren't counting the Heat Index -- it's very humid. The "feels like" temperature often hits 110 or worse. A whole house fan isn't going to do ya. In the evening/overnight, our house is always 7 or 8 degrees hotter than the ambient outdoor temperature. Oh, and those nighttime temps? As the temp goes DOWN, the humidity goes UP proportionately. So even if it's a "pleasant" 75, it's also 95% humidity. So you can't get comfortable enough to sleep.


7) Vaccine issues
Texas lets you exempt every vaccine for any reason. If you're an idiot and want to send your kids to public school, I don't know. But our kids are quite involved in free kids music classes at the local college, and they've never hassled us for being anti-vax.

8) Covid-19 nonsense
There's insanity around here as elsewhere, but ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY AT THE NATIONAL CHAINS. Home Depot, Taco Cabana. A more local chain, Bill Miller BBQ, doesn't even have their crew wear masks. Taco Cabana *requires* a mask for entry to the restaurant. And their employees wear gloves AND masks.

9) Any other issues.....
Cheap and available land is a big plus. Also, when it comes to "minority" issues I'll just say that not all minorities are created equal. I much prefer the dominant minority around here, compared with the dominant minority back in Illinois. Speaking of minorities -- white people will probably be a minority soon. In parts of Texas, we already are. For details, you can google the demographics of Texas.

And Texas puts more criminals to death than any other state. I'm very happy about this. If you google Capital Punishment stats, you'll find that they often break it down "Texas" and "everyone else" to give more meaningful results. We're in a class by ourselves when it comes to capital punishment. hahaha

Overall, I'm quite happy here.
Yes, I’m considering Texas. There are a lot of good points. It may be too hot for me, but not my wife. 😀
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: SeanJohnson on May 04, 2020, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: Matthew on May 04, 2020, 01:23:58 PM
What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

1) Mass options
Texas scores low in this area...Bp. Trinh used to say Mass near Austin (independent) don't know if he still does.

BISHOP Trinh?

As in the Vietnamese Benedictine monk?

He is a bishop now???
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Mr G on May 04, 2020, 02:49:22 PM
Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 04, 2020, 02:14:41 PM
BISHOP Trinh?

As in the Vietnamese Benedictine monk?

He is a bishop now???
I think it the Fr. Trinh that converted from the Novus Ordo from back in 2006-2007 (when he was stationed in California) 
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Matthew on May 04, 2020, 03:16:05 PM
Yes, indeed that's him.

Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on May 04, 2020, 04:03:42 PM
Quote from: Matthew on May 04, 2020, 03:16:05 PM
Yes, indeed that's him.
Do you know who ordained him?
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Struthio on May 04, 2020, 04:16:48 PM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 04, 2020, 04:03:42 PM
Do you know who ordained him?

Frank Slupski. See the jpg-file in Matthew's post.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: confederate catholic on May 04, 2020, 04:33:29 PM
Matthew remember church is either not to far or a little ways. Ya only need ta move if church is a pretty good drive
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Student of Qi on May 04, 2020, 10:01:46 PM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 04, 2020, 02:01:26 PM
Yes, I’m considering Texas. There are a lot of good points. It may be too hot for me, but not my wife. 😀
Please, if you do move to TX, then BECOME a Texan, don't just live here. We the common working rural folk love our Texas and wanna keep it Consevative, and preferably red.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Student of Qi on May 04, 2020, 10:27:08 PM
Quote from: Matthew on May 04, 2020, 01:23:58 PM
What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

1) Mass options
Texas scores low in this area. Probably a C- or D+. Depends on where you live. Huge state, not a huge number of Trads. Have to gather Trads from 100 mile radius to scrape together a viable chapel for priest to say Mass. That having been said, there are SSPX, 1 Resistance, a couple Fr. Pfeiffer chapels, and a Sede chapel in Houston. Bp. Trinh used to say Mass near Austin (independent) don't know if he still does.
I understand your views and allegiances, but this is an extra extremely narrow view of Masses available in TX. I can only speak for the areas I know:

 In Houston you have diocesan TLM at Annunciation in Downtown,  
Prince of Peace in North H, St. Theresa's in Sugarland, Regina Cœli (FSSP) in North H (big community and homeschool coalition/group too), and other parishes with priests learning TLM and offering Low Mass during the week(end). 
If I'm not mistaken, there is also a priest learning on the East side of Houston, but not 100% sure.

Austin Carhedral has a booming and very large TLM community. As I understand, more of the younger priests in the outlying areas are also learning and offering to some degree. The bishop tried to disperse those who offer it, but it backfired and just caused more clergy to be interested due to spreading contact.a

Rural Frelsburg (North of Columbus off I-10) has TLM,

In Tyler there is +Strickland and he's very trad as far as I can tell. Offers TLM and is very public and orthodox with his preaching, actions, and condemnations. Never attended there or hear him preach personally.

Almost all these pastors (I dont know about the Austin Cathedral) are very good homilists and various aren't afraid to preach about the current issues, secular & ecclesial. Many have done their best to accommodate those needing the Sacraments during shutdown as well and are very active in their apostolates.

For those who are not scrupulous about the diocesan Masses, you actually have a rather good looking future ahead for increasing TLM options & locations in these parts of the state.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: s2srea on May 05, 2020, 07:16:31 AM
Quote from: Student of Qi on May 04, 2020, 10:27:08 PM
I understand your views and allegiances, but this is an extra extremely narrow view of Masses available in TX. ...
I live in the DFW area. I attend the Fraternity chapel in Irving (Dallas). It's the largest and oldest FSSP chapel in the country. There are also FSSP parishes in Ft. Worth now and Tyler (Thanks to bishop Strickland, of course). I know there's a TLM community in Waco as well. The SSPX has two mass centers available in North Central Texas, but, alas, no priory (which is weird, in my opinion for the 8th largest Metroplex in the US. They are in North Richland Hills(Ft. Worth) and Sanger (Denton area). I'm pretty sure there are resistance masses here, but its been quite a while since I've looked into that. I imagine Matt still hosts a priest in his neck of the woods in San Antonio (?). 

With that said, having moved here to America from California 5 years ago, there are FAR fewer mass options here. It seemed that in Cali, you couldn't two or three cities without finding some sort of TLM. Of course, they were all provided by different priests; independents, diocesan (there was no FSSP when I left, but there is now), CMRI, etc.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: s2srea on May 05, 2020, 07:47:34 AM
Quote from: Student of Qi on May 04, 2020, 10:01:46 PM
Please, if you do move to TX, then BECOME a Texan, don't just live here. We the common working rural folk love our Texas and wanna keep it Consevative, and preferably red.
I work with a bunch of East Texas boys. When I first met a bunch of them, when asked why I moved here from California my standard answer was, "Well I saw a sign that said, 'Move to Texas and help make that red state blue!', and I came!" :cowboy:
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Caraffa on May 12, 2020, 05:35:06 PM
I think we're past the point in terms of which state to live in, and have to think more in terms of which country to go too. Unless there's an active secession movement that gets going like now, the US (as a place for Traditional Catholics) is sunk in my view. I didn't make any predictions for the 2020's, but one would have been that you're going to see more Traditional Catholics look towards the expat option in the years ahead.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on June 02, 2020, 06:10:37 PM
Does anyone know anything about Oklahoma? Is the Tulsa area scenic? Are there hills? How are the mass options? Are the people conservative and friendly?  
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: SeanJohnson on June 02, 2020, 08:49:27 PM
South Dakota!
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: fatimarevelation23 on June 02, 2020, 08:58:40 PM
Wyoming is the most peaceful and they tax you the least. All the merrier!
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on June 03, 2020, 05:18:57 AM
Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 02, 2020, 08:49:27 PM
South Dakota!
Why, because they didn’t do the “lockdown”? I am considering it, but there are few mass options.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on June 03, 2020, 05:58:03 AM
Quote from: Crawdad on June 03, 2020, 12:36:49 AM
Oklahoma doesn't want crypto liberals like you there. Stay out of Oklahoma, Missoura, & Arkansas, boy.
Is this the very effeminate Croix, again? Of course it is, because whenever the girl/boy (tranny?) gets banned I suddenly get 50 plus downvotes. I’m starting to like your downvotes it makes me feel good and just confirms in my mind what you really are.  :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: 2Vermont on June 03, 2020, 06:06:01 AM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 03, 2020, 05:58:03 AM
Is this the very effeminate Croix again?
Well, he had another account banned yesterday: Karen Yapper.  Based on the high tick in my downvotes since yesterday, I would say yes, he has yet another account here.....and who knows how many others.  He's like the resident bed bug.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on June 03, 2020, 06:10:22 AM
Quote from: 2Vermont on June 03, 2020, 06:06:01 AM
Well, he had another account banned yesterday: Karen Yapper.  Based on the high tick in my downvotes since yesterday, I would say yes, he has yet another account here.....and who knows how many others.  He's like the resident bed bug.
:laugh2:....Yeah, it’s the sissy. He/she has a reputation now. 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: 2Vermont on June 03, 2020, 06:13:19 AM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 02, 2020, 06:10:37 PM
Does anyone know anything about Oklahoma? Is the Tulsa area scenic? Are there hills? How are the mass options? Are the people conservative and friendly?  
I don't know a lot about the state, but I don't think hills when I think of it.  Isn't it know for its "big sky"? 
Per the CMRI directory, there are a couple of locations in Oklahoma:
http://www.cmri.org/latin-mass-directory/traditional-latin-mass-locations-4.shtml (http://www.cmri.org/latin-mass-directory/traditional-latin-mass-locations-4.shtml)
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: SeanJohnson on June 03, 2020, 07:18:27 AM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 03, 2020, 05:18:57 AM
Why, because they didn’t do the “lockdown”? I am considering it, but there are few mass options.

Yes.

If I were to move, these would be on my top 5 options list:

1) South Dakota: Low population density; conservative population; best governor in the country; extremely pro-life; low taxes; motto is "Under God, the people rule;" also says "we value strong families;" and "KEEPING TAXES LOW • LIMITING GOVERNMENT REGULATION • FIGHTING GOVERNMENT INTRUSION • KEEPING GOVERNMENT OPEN AND HONEST"
https://governor.sd.gov/default.aspx (https://governor.sd.gov/default.aspx)

These others, I choose more or less for their wilderness areas and strong prepper/self-reliance/"don't tread on me" characteristics:

2) Northern Idaho
3) Northwestern Montana
4) Wyoming
5) Northern Maine
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: SeanJohnson on June 03, 2020, 07:35:08 AM
Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 03, 2020, 07:18:27 AM
Yes.

If I were to move, these would be on my top 5 options list:

1) South Dakota: Low population density; conservative population; best governor in the country; extremely pro-life; low taxes; motto is "Under God, the people rule;" also says "we value strong families;" and "KEEPING TAXES LOW • LIMITING GOVERNMENT REGULATION • FIGHTING GOVERNMENT INTRUSION • KEEPING GOVERNMENT OPEN AND HONEST"
https://governor.sd.gov/default.aspx (https://governor.sd.gov/default.aspx)

These others, I choose more or less for their wilderness areas and strong prepper/self-reliance/"don't tread on me" characteristics:

2) Northern Idaho
3) Northwestern Montana
4) Wyoming
5) Northern Maine

South Dakota boasts a lower cost of living than the national average when it comes to health, housing, utilities and transportation. With all of these savings, South Dakota residents gain a lot: #2 best state for overall well-being and happiness (MagnifyMoney 2018)

South Dakota politics are generally dominated by the Republican Party, and the state has not supported a Democratic presidential candidate since 1964 — especially notable when one considers that George McGovern, the Democratic nominee in 1972, was from South Dakota

South Dakota: #1 Best State for Retirement
Affordability is the main factor pushing it to the top spot. In addition to low living expenses, including for health care, South Dakota is one the 10 Best States for Taxes on Retirees.May 25, 2018

Open Carry is legal. South Dakota is a permitless carry state. Anyone 18 or older who can legally possess a firearm can carry openly or concealed in South Dakota without a permit/license. ... The state preempts all firearm laws in the state and local authorities can't have Laws/Ordinances against open carry.Jan 5, 2020

This is more or less the exact opposite of Minnesota.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Thed0ctor on June 03, 2020, 09:56:42 AM
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 03, 2020, 04:56:24 PM
What is the best state to move to, from a traditional Catholic prospective, considering the following criteria?:

1) Mass options

2) Conservative political atmosphere and freedom

3) Homeschooling

4) Gun laws

5) Taxes

6) Weather

7) Vaccine issues

8) Covid-19 nonsense

9) Any other issues.....
My vote goes to New Hampshire. That’s where we are right now. There are things that could be better like home schooling laws, response to covid, and more freedom from vaccines for citizens if public schooling but overall a good state. Tons of Latin Mass options. The CMRI and SSPX are here if you attend them and tons of diocesan Latin Masses. Also since all the states are tiny and close together you also have Latin Mass options in Rhode Island, and Massachusetts’s so there’s a bit of redundancy there in case one bishop stops the Latin Mass. Gun laws are great. Constitutional carry with public areas you can shoot and practice for free. Property tax is high. We’re home schooling so the vaccine issue isn’t a problem for us. Also Catholic Medical Center was a good spot to have our first. Health care and job opportunities are good as well. 
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on June 03, 2020, 02:42:46 PM
Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 03, 2020, 07:18:27 AM
Yes.

If I were to move, these would be on my top 5 options list:

1) South Dakota: Low population density; conservative population; best governor in the country; extremely pro-life; low taxes; motto is "Under God, the people rule;" also says "we value strong families;" and "KEEPING TAXES LOW • LIMITING GOVERNMENT REGULATION • FIGHTING GOVERNMENT INTRUSION • KEEPING GOVERNMENT OPEN AND HONEST"
https://governor.sd.gov/default.aspx (https://governor.sd.gov/default.aspx)

These others, I choose more or less for their wilderness areas and strong prepper/self-reliance/"don't tread on me" characteristics:

2) Northern Idaho
3) Northwestern Montana
4) Wyoming
5) Northern Maine
Thanks for your input!
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on June 03, 2020, 02:52:41 PM
Quote from: Thed0ctor on June 03, 2020, 09:56:42 AM
My vote goes to New Hampshire. That’s where we are right now. There are things that could be better like home schooling laws, response to covid, and more freedom from vaccines for citizens if public schooling but overall a good state. Tons of Latin Mass options. The CMRI and SSPX are here if you attend them and tons of diocesan Latin Masses. Also since all the states are tiny and close together you also have Latin Mass options in Rhode Island, and Massachusetts’s so there’s a bit of redundancy there in case one bishop stops the Latin Mass. Gun laws are great. Constitutional carry with public areas you can shoot and practice for free. Property tax is high. We’re home schooling so the vaccine issue isn’t a problem for us. Also Catholic Medical Center was a good spot to have our first. Health care and job opportunities are good as well.
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Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Mr G on June 08, 2020, 01:18:11 PM
Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 03, 2020, 07:35:08 AM
South Dakota boasts a lower cost of living than the national average when it comes to health, housing, utilities and transportation. With all of these savings, South Dakota residents gain a lot: #2 best state for overall well-being and happiness (MagnifyMoney 2018)

South Dakota politics are generally dominated by the Republican Party, and the state has not supported a Democratic presidential candidate since 1964 — especially notable when one considers that George McGovern, the Democratic nominee in 1972, was from South Dakota

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/coronavirus-pandemic-south-dakota-governor-kristi-noem-stayed-the-course/?utm_source=msn&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=morein (https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/coronavirus-pandemic-south-dakota-governor-kristi-noem-stayed-the-course/?utm_source=msn&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=morein)


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Kristi Noem: The Governor Who Stayed the Course
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South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem 
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Pierre, South Dakota — The coronavirus crisis hasn’t been kind to the reputations of many governors.
New York’s Andrew Cuomo held effective news conferences that at first burnished his image, but he’s now ducking responsibility for sending virus patients back into nursing homes where the disease promptly spread. Michigan’s Gretchen Whitmer is now seen as a scold who on the one hand has kept pot dispensaries open but, on the other, last week told residents who’ve gone three months without hair care to just “Google how to do a haircut.”


Among the governors whose reputation has clearly been enhanced is South Dakota’s Kristi Noem. The 48-year-old Republican, who still ranches her family’s land, didn’t issue a shelter-in-place lockdown order for her state. “The people themselves are primarily responsible for their safety,” she said in a public statement in April. She added that the state and national constitutions “prevent us from taking draconian measures much like the Chinese government has done.”
But that didn’t mean South Dakota didn’t take clear steps to control the virus. Noem issued an executive order in March urging the elderly and those with preexisting conditions to stay home and encouraging employees to practice social distancing and to telework if possible.
“We do follow Center for Disease Control guidance,” Noem told Greg Kelly of Newsmax TV. “But we also made decisions that were best for South Dakota. South Dakota is not New York City.” Indeed, per square mile, New York has more than 26,000 residents per square mile, while South Dakota has only 12.



One place where social distancing wasn’t easily possible was the Smithfield Foods pork-processing plant in Sioux Falls. It was declared part of essential infrastructure by President Trump because it alone accounted for between 4 and 5 percent of pork production in America. As Bret Schundler wrote in the Wall Street Journal: “Even states with lockdowns have exempted food production as essential, and with good reason. If governors shut down food plants, disease today would be followed by hunger tomorrow.”

But the plant’s workers did become part of a large coronavirus cluster in April, with more than 300 workers falling ill and two eventually dying. That prompted MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow to pounce on South Dakota for not issuing a stay-at-home order. At one point, Maddow addressed the camera mockingly, as if speaking directly to the governor, stating, “You are aware that it’s infectious, right? That it’s a communicable disease?”
But Noem kept calm. South Dakota had had 5,438 COVID-19 cases in all so far (https://doh.sd.gov/news/coronavirus.aspx#SD) (1,038 are active) and a total of 65 deaths. “I always tried to be dispassionate and follow the science, facts, and data,” she told me in an interview last month. “One-liners on social media or TV don’t contribute to any solutions.”

Most recently, Noem has acted to reduce tensions over the killing of George Floyd and the resulting protests. The local protests in South Dakota have been peaceful, and the governor says they were “legitimate and raised important concerns.” But in other places people were perpetrating violence in an effort “to shortcut public debates through fear,” she warned. “They want people scared.” She made clear that such behavior wouldn’t be tolerated in South Dakota.


Noem’s steady approach is attracting more national attention. Of course, her critics are still there. Stu Whitney, the media columnist of the Sioux Falls Argus-Leader, dismisses her policy on the virus as “mired in many of the strategies of President Trump” but concedes it has also made her “a darling of right-wing media icons.”
Many Republicans see a future in national politics for her. J. J. Cafaro, a shopping-center developer from Ohio who is a large political donor, is a big fan and says her down-to-earth approach make her a natural. “I’m rarely so impressed with an elected official,” he told me last year. “Newt Gingrich was one, Kristi is another.” Noem has “remarkable future potential,” Corey Lewandowski, who was Donald Trump’s campaign manager for much of 2016, told me. “People will be noticing her.”
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For her part, Noem responds to such speculation by noting that she is focused on being a good governor and has turned down opportunities with the Trump administration “on more than one occasion.”
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Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Matamoros on June 10, 2020, 09:03:50 PM
I agree with a lot as far as being good places to live. I have to give the highest weight to the TLM. But equally high for practical purposes is affordability. I live in an expensive liberal cesspool. Decent retirement savings. I turn 59 1/2 in 3.5 years and plan to retire and get out.

Next, I give a higher weight than many might to weather. I can't take blizzards and when it gets to 95 I can't get out much due to health reasons. I can take the cold better but not shoveling 2 feet of know in my golden years.

All the places I like are conservative. Kentucky is a possible exception, at least around Lexington. Not sure about gun laws in Kentucky.

I also want a place with natural beauty and local cultural attractions. Good local food.

I’ve never found a whole state I could recommend, especially if you want an easily available TLM. I’ve focused on areas within states. 

If all you care about is a traditional Catholic setting, I’d look at the Coeur d’Alene Idaho to Spokane, Washington corridor. I know – Washington – but there’s lots of TLM activity up there and Idaho is very conservative. The winters are too snowy for me. Beautiful country.

Second place would be St. Marys Kansas – 30 minutes from Topeka and 90 minutes from Kansas City. Kinda remote unless you live closer to Topeka. Cold winters and hot summers but as bad as Oklahoma City. Natural beauty. Not a lot of attractions in Topeka but I've heard they have good chili.

So for the places that are less severe in weather then Idaho and more to do outside of church than St. Marys, I’d recommend the following in order of their attractiveness.

1 - Rapid City, SD – beautiful country, the Badlands, Mount Rushmore, Reptile Gardens, American Indian stuff. Very cold winters but not a lot of snow. Summers are pleasant compared to most places. Daily FSSP Mass, SSPX Mass on Sunday. Affordable.

2 - Tulsa, OK – weather much milder then Oklahoma City, hills, four seasons, long spring. Conservative. Lots of American Indian stuff. Daily FSSP Mass. One hour from Clear Creek Monastery. Affordable.

3 - Oklahoma City – Terrible weather. Tornados. Brutal summers and winters. Conservative. Some American Indian cultural stuff. Daily FSSP Mass in Bethany (suburb) and CMRI on Sundays in another suburb. Affordable.

4 - Lexington Kentucky – the exurbs. KY is conservative. Lexington is crazy. Plus it has hot summers and snowy winters. But it DOES have daily FSSP Mass and its affordable.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Crawdad on June 10, 2020, 09:26:32 PM
Quote from: Matamoros on June 10, 2020, 09:03:50 PM

2 - Tulsa, OK – weather much milder then Oklahoma City, hills, four seasons, long spring. Conservative. Lots of American Indian stuff. Daily FSSP Mass. One hour from Clear Creek Monastery. Affordable.

3 - Oklahoma City – Terrible weather. Tornados. Brutal summers and winters. Conservative. Some American Indian cultural stuff. Daily FSSP Mass in Bethany (suburb) and CMRI on Sundays in another suburb. Affordable.

There's only about 98 miles separating Tulsa and Oklahoma City. That's not enough distance to effect a difference in weather patterns, nor is there enough geography (landscape) difference to cause a big difference in weather. LOL. The same potentially dangerous weather patterns that hit OK City also reach out to Missouri and westward to Tulsa. Remember the Joplin, Missouri F4/5 tornado in 2010 or '11 that wiped out about 90% of the town? So if those ominous patterns afflict Missouri, it'll surely afflict Tulsa.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Matamoros on June 10, 2020, 09:41:27 PM
Quote from: Crawdad on June 10, 2020, 09:26:32 PM
There's only about 98 miles separating Tulsa and Oklahoma City. That's not enough distance to effect a difference in weather patterns, nor is there enough geological (landscape) difference to cause a big difference in weather. LOL. The same potentially dangerous weather patterns that hit OK City also reach out to Missouri and westward to Tulsa. Remember the Joplin, Missouri F4/5 tornado in 2010 or '11 that wiped out about 90% of the town? So if those ominous patterns afflict Missouri, it'll surely afflict Tulsa.
Well there you go.

I guess that will learn me not to put so much weight on them  daggone tourist bureau brochures.

Fortunately I should have 2.5 more years to make a decision.

Right now it looks like Rapid City, SD is my only real option.
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on June 11, 2020, 05:29:51 AM
None.  The church will help the government to relocate terrorists to conservative states
Those restriction on church were intentional.
No where will be safe. Wake up.  
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on June 11, 2020, 05:44:09 AM
Tennessee was great for the last couple years only recently there is more of huge number of Moslems.  We are at war and we have no one defending us.  
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Bataar on June 12, 2020, 10:53:23 PM
I'm in north Idaho and I love it. Country style living, but close to real cities if needed. I live with 20 minutes of a CMRI church (Fr. Benedict Hughes), an FSSP church and an SSPX church. Mount St. Michael's is in Spokane, about 40 minutes away. 
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: MMagdala on June 13, 2020, 01:53:56 AM
Quote from: 2Vermont on May 03, 2020, 05:58:59 PM
Let's see.  I can tell you what state not to move to..... ;)
State, singular?   ;)
Let's see:
Minnesota
Washington
Oregon
California
Virginia
Massachusetts
NY
Pennsylvania
They've also invaded Wisconsin, Georgia, and surely others
They must have special radar to locate the really, really passive mayors, city councils, and governors.  Unbelievable.  Are all elected officials on tranquilizers?  They're all smoking weed?  What's going on that no one's objecting to mass occupation?
Title: Re: Best state to move to
Post by: Bellato on June 13, 2020, 02:19:29 AM
I'm not sure in the long run that any state will be safe for faithful Catholics so we should be thankful for what we have right now.  I used to always think about moving somewhere better, more masses, etc., but nothing ever worked out and the grass isn't always greener on the other side, anyway.  

I know people that have moved to be closer to mass, and it didn't work out for them with other issues, the Church wasn't what they expected or problems with employment, etc.