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Offline Russiantrad

Baptism and rite
« on: May 15, 2026, 03:13:43 PM »
I was baptized in the Russian Orthodox Church. I was recently told that a Catholic baptized in the Byzantine Rite retains affiliation with it even if he or she convert to the Faith through the Roman Rite. My priest says there is no clear affiliation with rites (before V2) and that no one has the right to tell me where to go. But others say I am obligated to regularly attend the Byzantine liturgy and follow the Byzantine tradition in private prayer. They cite Canon 98 of the 1917 Canon Law. But all the Byzantine rite priests here are modernists and some are even doubtful, since they were ordained by NO bishops(?) 

I don't know what to do or who is right here. Any ideas about this?
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Offline songbird

Re: Baptism and rite
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2026, 03:25:37 PM »
Get out.  Here in Phoenix, their Byzantine Rite was taken over in 1991. Pews out and their excuses as to why.  Byzantine Rite shakes  hands with the dioceses Bishop.  Sorry, but they too are following the piped piper.
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Offline Giovanni Berto

Re: Baptism and rite
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2026, 03:35:32 PM »
It sounds rather absurd to tell you how to say your private prayers.

Given the current situation of the Church, you should be happy if you can go to any valid  mass in any real Catholic rite.

I would not worry about this at all. I went to a Maronite rite liturgy for some years. No issues. There were a lot of people from the local Novus Ordo diocese there, way more than the real Lebanese Maronites. The Maronites are quite Modernist leaning, sadly, but that's another discussion.
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Offline SimpleMan

Re: Baptism and rite
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2026, 04:36:49 PM »
Quote from: Russiantrad on May 15, 2026, 03:13:43 PM
I was baptized in the Russian Orthodox Church. I was recently told that a Catholic baptized in the Byzantine Rite retains affiliation with it even if he or she convert to the Faith through the Roman Rite. My priest says there is no clear affiliation with rites (before V2) and that no one has the right to tell me where to go. But others say I am obligated to regularly attend the Byzantine liturgy and follow the Byzantine tradition in private prayer. They cite Canon 98 of the 1917 Canon Law. But all the Byzantine rite priests here are modernists and some are even doubtful, since they were ordained by NO bishops(?)

I don't know what to do or who is right here. Any ideas about this?

My understanding is that, yes, you would be a Byzantine Catholic (more to the point, Russian Rite), but you may worship in any rite you see fit, as much as you like.  I have never heard the part about having to "follow the Byzantine tradition in private prayer".

There are only four Russian Greek Catholic parishes in the US (two in California, and one each in New York and Colorado).  
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Offline SimpleMan

Re: Baptism and rite
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2026, 04:59:35 PM »
The relevant canon is as follows, and makes no mention of either of the obligations cited in your post:

§ 1. Among the various Catholic rites, one belongs to that one according to whose ceremonies
one was baptized, unless perhaps baptism by a minister of an alien rite was brought about
fraudulently, or in case of grave necessity when it was not possible to have a priest of one’s own
rite present, or if it came about by apostolic dispensation whereby the faculty was given to baptize
one in a certain rite while remaining ascribed to the other rite.
§ 2. Clerics shall not presume in any manner to induce latin-rite faithful to transfer to an oriental
[rite], or oriental-rite faithful to transfer to the latin [rite].
§ 3. It is not lawful for anyone, without coming to the Apostolic See, to transfer to another rite,
or, after legitimate transfer, to return to the former.
§ 4. It is the right of a woman of rite different from the rite of the man, either going into marriage
or during it, to transfer [rites]; when the marriage is ended, she has the power of returning freely
to her former rite, unless by particular law it is provided otherwise.
§ 5. The practice, however long in duration, of receiving the sacred Synax in a foreign rite does
not bring about a change of rite.

By "when the marriage is ended" in § 4 above, one presumes this refers to the death of the other spouse.
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