Any Heliocentrists on CI?  Are we all Geocentrists, whether FEs or Globetrotters?

At the very least, the Earth exists at the very center of the universe, unmoved. Sungenis and others have made a very good case for this. The evidence is overwhelming. All locations in the universe are not uniform or random. We are not in an "insignificant corner" of the universe.

So much of modern science and modern cosmology is about degrading man, and erasing God from the picture. It's very consistent -- I'll give them that. You can tell who is behind it -- the devil -- and of course his "syna***ue" on earth helps him to promote those lies.

If scientists can't prove the Earth moves with a single experiment (all the ones they've tried over the centuries have FAILED without exception), then why believe it?
To adhere to some kind of earthmoving cult with atheist, Freemasonic, evolutionists like DeGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye as high priests? No thanks. I'm a Catholic.

I haven't looked into the Flat Earth claims as much, but I certainly would have no grounds for dismissing them at this point.

Let's face it -- they lie to us about just about EVERYTHING -- I'm basically with Gladius on his recent post. That quote he posted: "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

I guess I'm not going to stop at any arbitrary point, while casting off and rejecting their lies. I want to reject ALL of them.

I'm already an anti-s**ite, anti-vaxxer, etc. -- who cares what else (((they))) want to call me. Water off a duck's back. I'm immune.

As you know from the other thread, I believe the earth is the center of all creation, the universe, that it's stationary, and that we live on a flat plane with a solid firmament over it.

As Matthew said, they've lied to us about everything and replaced the reality of God's creation with a fabrication of their own, thus putting themselves arrogantly in the place of God.  They pretend to be the lords and creators of our reality.

9/11 was when I began waking up to the extent of their lies.  I became a geocentrist thanks to the work done by cassini here on CI and then Sungenis.  I've realized for many years that the moon landing was a complete hoax.

I was skeptical of Flat Earth in the beginning, but the more I dug and dug and dug, well, I'm now entirely convinced that we live on a flat plane with a solid firmament above us ... just as the Sacred Scriptures tell us.  For a while I "leaned" flat earth but just couldn't pull the trigger, due to the brainwashing, but when I sat back and looked at all the evidence, both ways, I realized at one point that there's just no refuting it.  It was shocking, the enormity of the lie.

I don't believe that globe earth was always a lie.  I think that a lot of people sincerely came to that conclusion.  But I believe that Admiral Byrd found where the firmament touched off, and that's when they scurried into coverup mode ... with the Antarctic Treaty, and then the space program, the only intent of which was to condition people into believing in globe earth.  Masonic and occult and Satanic connections to the early space program are well docuмented.  Shortly after the Antarctic Treat, the US started "Operation Fishbowl" (interesting name, eh?) and detonated nuclear missiles high in the atmosphere.  Another name for the operation was "Dominic Chama" (shell of the Lord).  They were trying to blow a hole in the firmament.

I doubt there are any heliocentrists in the strict sense left, and the latest view of the universe has the sun itself hurtling through the galaxy at breakneck speeds and then the galaxy moving even faster through the universe.



It becomes more outlandish with each iteration.  Yeah, sure "gravity" can drag all the planets with it at those speeds so forcefully that it looks like the planets are moving around the sun on a flat plane in eliptical orbits.

I don't believe that globe earth was always a lie.  I think that a lot of people sincerely came to that conclusion.  But I believe that Admiral Byrd found where the firmament touched off, and that's when they scurried into coverup mode ... with the Antarctic Treaty, and then the space program, the only intent of which was to condition people into believing in globe earth.  Masonic and occult and Satanic connections to the early space program are well docuмented.  Shortly after the Antarctic Treat, the US started "Operation Fishbowl" (interesting name, eh?) and detonated nuclear missiles high in the atmosphere.  Another name for the operation was "Dominic Chama" (shell of the Lord).  They were trying to blow a hole in the firmament.

It's the Antarctic stuff that really intrigued me the most. Why, why, WHY is there an Antarctic treaty if it's just an icy content at the bottom of the globe? How did Captain Cook travel 60,000 miles trying to circuмnavigate Antarctica if it is said to only be about 12,000 miles? Why doesn't the Antarctic climate mirror that of the arctic if the sun shines at the same intensity on both poles during their summer seasons?

And then I went down the rabbit hole, saw the Biblical evidence to support it, and now I'm pretty well convinced we've been lied to for a long, long time about what we live on. And no, as the other long thread tried to claim, the shape of the earth is not an obvious truth. Otherwise, there wouldn't be this:



The earth is a flat plane, enclosed inside of a watery globe, immovable, in the center of the universe.

I'm a heliocentrist who believes in a spherical earth by default, because I've never had any reason to think otherwise.  When I say "heliocentrist", I mean the sun is the center of our solar system, not necessarily the center of anything else.  Nonetheless, I follow truth wherever it goes, and in the search for that truth, I ask the following questions:

Have all of the astronomers who posited a spherical earth been wrong, and how have they all persisted in this error?

How is the apparent curvature of the earth explained, where it is seen from various vantage points, such as in airplane flight, or even from a tall building?  I have even seen the curvature of the earth (or at least that's what I thought it was) from the top floors of a beach hotel, as I looked out onto the ocean.

Are all airplane pilots who travel vast distances over a flat earth, as well as those who travel in spacecraft, taken into a grand conspiracy, and pledged to secrecy as regards the lie?  And have any of them ever "cracked" and told the public that it's all a big lie?  That's a lot of pilots and a lot of astronauts (and, now, civilians who have no long-term connection to a space program otherwise comprised of near-perfect specimens of humanity who have "the right stuff").  Are they taken into an inner sanctum at some point and told "you will go along with the lie, or you will die, and your loved ones will die"?  It would only take one, or two, or three, to "tell the truth", assuming they could "get the word out".

These are honest questions with no agenda behind them.

One of the biggest issues facing Flat Earth Truth right now is that Big Tech is ruthlessly censoring the subject, so it's nearly impossible to find any pro-FE materials using search engines.  One of your best bets is to use yandex.com (the Russian search engine) but recently I've seen signs of their beginning to filter stuff as well.

That's actually also one of the biggest clues that we/they are onto something here.

So what I think I'm going to do is to go into the FE subforum and create a bunch of "library" threads, topic by topic, and gather the videos I can find ... before they are all scrubbed, and just put them in there so people can find them.