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Offline trad123

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Re: Will be interested to hear thoughts on this new BOD/BOB book
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2018, 06:53:13 PM »
https://archive.org/details/ContraCrawfordBoD/page/n121


pg. 108


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Crawford quoted St. Augustine as saying…

“How many sincere catechumens die unbaptized, and are thus lost forever.

The quote is actually from…

No one knows, possibly a 1961 book called Augustine The Bishop by a Fr. Van Der Meer. May or may not actually be the words of Augustine.


I'm looking for the original source of the quote. I'll have the book within a week or two.

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Re: Will be interested to hear thoughts on this new BOD/BOB book
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2018, 07:05:06 PM »
Ah, yes, this puts on display the level of intellect that one will no doubt find throughout this tome.  This above was the answer to the contention, which has been amply proven over years here on CathInfo, that the BoDer ecclesiology is identical to that of the Vatican II establishment, and that all the Vatican II errors derive from this non-Catholic ecclesiology.  We have presented the arguments, and these have never been refuted.  In fact, no refutation has ever been attempted.  Instead, you get "rebuttals" such as the one quoted above.

https://www.cathinfo.com/baptism-of-desire-and-feeneyism/genuinely-curious-rejection-of-baptism-and-the-council-of-trent/msg611628/#msg611628


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99% of the people who promote BOD do not even believe that a desire to be baptized is necessary for salvation, nor a desire to be a Catholic, or belief in Christ and the Holy Trinity. They believe that Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews etc., can be saved without "a desire to be baptized, nor a desire to be a Catholic, or belief in Christ and the Holy Trinity".

If you are sincere as you say, ponder on that, for that is the REAL SUBJECT to be debated with the promoters of BOD, and not some catechumen who got run over by a bus on his way to be baptized.


https://www.cathinfo.com/baptism-of-desire-and-feeneyism/genuinely-curious-rejection-of-baptism-and-the-council-of-trent/msg612040/#msg612040


Re: Will be interested to hear thoughts on this new BOD/BOB book
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2018, 11:28:37 PM »
On the Novus Ordo Watch site, they advertise/promote the Contra book - but don't give you the whole story, offer Fr. Crawford's booklet or "his side of the story," or allow comments at the bottom.  This Contra book is theological junk, written by amateurs.  Yes, another CMRI-related hit piece.  These lay people, Contra authors make a point to not mention the hit done unto Fr. Crawford by the CMRI, in saying he did not answer their theological questionnaire to him at about the time he left them - when he actually did three times, and had the post office mailing receipts, etc., and proof they did receive his mailed answers. And his were good answers on NFP and EENS.  There does seem to be a vendetta against Fr. Crawford here.

It is too bad Fr. Crawford is a sede as this affects some of his other positions regarding the approaches to be taken in living the trad life. However he seems a master on the subject of No Salvation and BOB/BOD-Council of Trent.

  



   

Re: Will be interested to hear thoughts on this new BOD/BOB book
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2018, 12:15:31 AM »
So, which one are you, Fellows or Conlon?  I see that you created an account just to plug your book.  I'm sure that your immediate family members will find it enjoyable.  It's a shame that you would spend so much time and effort writing AGAINST Catholic dogma.
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The same can be said of many CMRI types. Why would a whole congregation spend so much time and effort opposing Catholic dogma?
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Ultimately their conspicuous animosity toward defined dogma shows their real object of scorn is the principle of defined dogma.
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It seems they don't really know what it means for a dogma to be infallibly defined by Holy Mother Church. Nor do they want to learn.
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Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 09, 2018, 06:14:42 AM
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That's likely why we do not see Lover of Truth here on CI, he was writing that book.


Ah, yes, because his name is John Gregory and the authors who wrote the book are named John Gregory and John Gregory.  Did you even read the review?  The posts in this thread get dumber and dumber!
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It would seem "his name" is ContraCrawfordBook as far as is relevant among CI members. 

Re: Will be interested to hear thoughts on this new BOD/BOB book
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2018, 12:17:24 AM »
Wow. I'm sorry I even brought this up
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Are you still sorry?