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Author Topic: What BODers do NOT Believe  (Read 5619 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
« Reply #55 on: August 16, 2017, 03:00:43 PM »
I know it is not a sacrament but it has not been condemned by Saint Alphonsus.  He declared it de fide based upon Trent.  You are unable or unwilling to see that BOD does not contradict EENS but compliments it.
If you know it's not a sacrament, and you know Trent condemned anyone says that the sacraments of the new law are not necessary for salvation, then you know a BOD without the sacrament cannot save anyone because it is not a sacrament.

Further, St. Alphonsus echoed Trent when he said that heretics say the sacraments are not necessary, then you know you are condemned by Trent for claiming a BOD saves without the sacrament and a heretic per St. Alphonsus for saying a person without the sacrament can still attain salvation via a BOD.

Either way, Trent is the Church, St. Alphonsus is not the Church, he made a mistake, the Church did not, he demonstrated that he submitted to the judgement of the Church when he finally taught: "The heretics say that no sacrament is necessary, inasmuch as they hold that man is justified by faith alone". Faith alone" = a BOD.

Re: What BODers do NOT Believe
« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2017, 12:25:59 PM »
AGAIN.  If you allow yourself to accept Catholic teaching you accept that water baptism is not necessary with an intrinsic necessity.  God does not insist on the impossible.  It is a necessity of precept and a necessity of relative means.  This means apart from sacramental baptism or its replacements no one can be saved.  This infallible teaching is not so hard to grasp and must be accepted even if you cannot grasp it.