Yes, they're wearing out the clapping icon.

They're in "circle the wagons" mode right now, so that each time one of them repeats the gratuitous assertion that their version of BoD is taught by the Church they cheer eachother on as if the fact that the two of them agree (due to bad will) makes their false opinions true.

I have no choice but to come to the conclusion that they're in bad will in their rejection of EENS.  They've shown no honesty whatsoever, and have recently pulled out the nasty insults.  It's almost some kind of sin against the Holy Spirit to claim that the Church dogmatically teaches that a Hindu in Tibet can be saved and that we're heretics for denying this when in point of fact the Church has taught the exact opposite.

Exacto, at least here on CI, all the BODers who are reading your posting are of bad will. Not a one has answered truthfully without fearing that they will be "exposed" somehow.

A person who has the conviction of knowing that they possess the truth, would never be totally hesitant and on guard the way these BODers on CI are. These BODers don't know what they believe. That is why you will never get a response from them to your simple question.

I never even mentioned a Hindu in Tibet, what I said was, I was and still am taught, that God gives everyone a chance.   He no doubt starts with that mustard seed, if the person cooperates with that He will give them more and more grace till a conversion to the Catholic Faith is obtained through the sanctifying power of the Holy Ghost.   I do not pretend to know how God will give pagans the grace, and am afraid when He does most say no to Him, at least in today's age. Yet, the point is everyone will have at least one opportunity.    He judges them by how much grace He did gave them, I was taught.  "To much given, much more is expected", similar word in the Bible.  

The traditional Catholic today, those who reject the Modernist teachings, understand the teaching of Baptism of Desire and Blood, the way it was intended prior to the Modernist, taking this truth and exaggerating it to the point where it no longer is truth.  That is the heresy!  Stretching the truth.  

You are wrong to compare the Traditional Catholic or in my case a sedevacantist as believing the same as the conciliar popes and unfortunately many of the laity.  We differ from them, we do not believe that one can be saved Outside the Church.

God knows the perfect time to give the necessary grace.  

We do not say that just because God is prompting them to truth that they are automatically saved either, as you pretend we do.  They must cooperate with grace.  

We don't look for the loopholes that the Modernist claim are there.  Loopholes such as, "everyone is saved because they are ignorant and an't help but continue to live in their error, they are saved by desire",  WE DON'T SAY THAT,  Vatican II says that!   Get it!

I know that you understand what I am pointing out to you, you just want to pretend you don't, for reasons I don't quite get.  

Because of this crisis I will admit that some young converts to Tradition might not understand BOD properly and with all the lies posted here by the help of Fr. Feeney, it doesn't help them at all.  

It isn't easy to admit you are wrong, (but you are) especially when you spent so much time on promoting your ideals, I know for a fact, there was a time, I spent a long time arguing with SJB about the Divine Mercy devotion, and had to publically apologize to him.  Although I admit even at that time I knew next to nothing about the visions, just didn't find anything wrong with the prayers.   Sorry getting off topic!

You owe tradition an apology, for comparing us to Vatican II.  

 

I never even mentioned a Hindu in Tibet, what I said was, I was and still am taught, that God gives everyone a chance.   He no doubt starts with that mustard seed, if the person cooperates with that He will give them more and more grace till a conversion to the Catholic Faith is obtained through the sanctifying power of the Holy Ghost.   I do not pretend to know how God will give pagans the grace, and am afraid when He does most say no to Him, at least in today's age. Yet, the point is everyone will have at least one opportunity.    He judges them by how much grace He did gave them, I was taught.  "To much given, much more is expected", similar word in the Bible.  

The traditional Catholic today, those who reject the Modernist teachings, understand the teaching of Baptism of Desire and Blood, the way it was intended prior to the Modernist, taking this truth and exaggerating it to the point where it no longer is truth.  That is the heresy!  Stretching the truth.  

You are wrong to compare the Traditional Catholic or in my case a sedevacantist as believing the same as the conciliar popes and unfortunately many of the laity.  We differ from them, we do not believe that one can be saved Outside the Church.

God knows the perfect time to give the necessary grace.  

We do not say that just because God is prompting them to truth that they are automatically saved either, as you pretend we do.  They must cooperate with grace.  

We don't look for the loopholes that the Modernist claim are there.  Loopholes such as, "everyone is saved because they are ignorant and an't help but continue to live in their error, they are saved by desire",  WE DON'T SAY THAT,  Vatican II says that!   Get it!

I know that you understand what I am pointing out to you, you just want to pretend you don't, for reasons I don't quite get.  

Because of this crisis I will admit that some young converts to Tradition might not understand BOD properly and with all the lies posted here by the help of Fr. Feeney, it doesn't help them at all.  

It isn't easy to admit you are wrong, (but you are) especially when you spent so much time on promoting your ideals, I know for a fact, there was a time, I spent a long time arguing with SJB about the Divine Mercy devotion, and had to publically apologize to him.  Although I admit even at that time I knew next to nothing about the visions, just didn't find anything wrong with the prayers.   Sorry getting off topic!

You owe tradition an apology, for comparing us to Vatican II.  

 

Myrna,

I do hope for these people to repent and accept all the teachings of the Church.  But, from their conduct, I fear that their heresy has infected them very deeply, and they will not be easily healed.

Heresy is a disease, and it blinds those who give in to it.  I truly feel sorry for these people.  The confusion in the Church has set up fertile ground for heresy to spread unchallenged.  

This is why it is so important for Catholics to avoid unapproved books on matters of theology.  The Feeneyite publications that are being disseminated on this forums library are the entrance point to trick more Catholics to be ensnared by this heresy.  

Quote from: Bishop Fellay

Consider a Hindu in Tibet who has no knowledge of the Catholic Church.  He lives according to his conscience and to the laws which God has put into his heart.  He can be in the state of grace, and if he dies in this state of grace, he will go to heaven.” (The Angelus, “A Talk Heard Round the World,” April, 2006, p. 5.)

 

I'm sorry, but this is none other than blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.  There's no other word for it.  You have incredible audacity.

You are asserting that it is heresy to accept that there's no salvation outside the Church, that to uphold the dogmatic teaching of the Catholic Church is heresy.

I would at least be honest.  If the BoDers would convince me regarding their ecclesiology, I would renounce Traditional Catholicism, renounce my former schism, and accept Vatican II as essentially free form error.  I would not continue in my hypocrisy of denouncing V2 for what are substantially Catholic opinions.

Quote from: Ladislaus

I would at least be honest.  If the BoDers would convince me regarding their ecclesiology, I would renounce Traditional Catholicism, renounce my former schism, and accept Vatican II as essentially free form error.  I would not continue in my hypocrisy of denouncing V2 for what are substantially Catholic opinions.

Said it just like it is!

And I say it in all sincerity.  There's no error in Vatican II which these BoDer Traditional Catholics do not themselves hold.  But if what they hold is Catholic, then so is Vatican II.  There's absolutely no question about it.

BOD is the main reason for indifferentism. This heresy is the heresy of our times and has plagued the Church for about 2 centuries now and it is not going away until the so called BOD is condemned for ever!

I absolutely agree.  That HAS to be the first official act of the Pope God choses to end this crisis. Without that, you just roll back to 50s Catholics.  You restore Traditional devotion and piety but the doctrinal root cause of EVERYTHING would still remain there festering.