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Exilenomore · « **Reply #5 on:** July 01, 2011, 03:07:43 PM »

Quote from: ajpirc

Could you go into detail on what is meant by this heresy? I have a clue about it, but don't completely understand.

The pantheon of Assisi.

It is an attempt to tear down the borders of the Church as a visible society and describe her as a 'semi-visible' entity in communion with the numerous sects of perdition in the world. This was the intention behind the deliberately ambigious language used.

It is a very grievous error condemned by the Catholic Church. St. Paul declared that there can be no communion possible between Christ and belial, light and darkness.

ajpirc · « **Reply #6 on:** July 01, 2011, 04:22:19 PM »

Quote from: Exilenomore

It is an attempt to tear down the borders of the Church as a visible society and describe her as a 'semi-visible' entity in communion with the numerous sects of perdition in the world. This was the intention behind the deliberately ambigious language used.

Was this part of Vatican II's "ecuмenism" techniques to show Protestants that we've changed and that we believe in the "church" that they believe as a federation of Christian communities?

This ecuмenism that we've shifted to to promote "Christian unity" is a joke. I don't think the Church should be involved with any Protestants to promote a so-called "Christian-unity". The only Christian unity is that where heretics rejoin the Church. I think that was Pope St. Pius X that said that, but I might be wrong.

Did the Church always call Protestants heretics up until Vatican II? I know that now we call them our "seperated bretheren" but that's probably because calling someone a heretic would be politically incorrect and could hurt their feelings.

Exilenomore · « **Reply #7 on:** July 01, 2011, 04:51:32 PM »

Quote from: ajpirc

Was this part of Vatican II's "ecuмenism" techniques to show Protestants that we've changed and that we believe in the "church" that they believe as a federation of Christian communities?

If I understand Joseph Ratzinger's way of thinking correctly, he would like to have a communion between what he perceives to be the catholic Church and the numerous heretical and schismatical sects that claim to be part of Christendom, with the 'catholic part' as the head of this pseudo-communion.

The thought alone is monstrous and foreign to apostolic tradition, because the Roman Catholic Church alone is the spotless Bride of Christ and she does not share her sacred chambers with bondwomen (the non-catholic sects).

the smart sheep · « **Reply #8 on:** July 01, 2011, 07:40:45 PM »

Good topic ajpirc. I'll be tuning in for answers to your questions.

My No friends who praise LG also use this "unity" word often. A connection I just thought of.

the smart sheep

ajpirc · « **Reply #9 on:** July 02, 2011, 02:19:26 PM »

Does anybody know of any docuмents that explain the Church's view toward Catholic interaction with heretics, I mean "seperated bretheren"?

I know the Catechism of Pope St. Pius X tells us what we should have done when a Protestant hands us a Bible:

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32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest.

Now-a-days, the Church probably encourages us to read the King James Version to show Protestants that we respect their religion.