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Offline Papa Pius V

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Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2021, 11:10:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 04, 2021, 11:05:57 AM
    Ridiculous.  You weaseled and shifted from one position to another and now claim it's due to my inability to comprehend.

    Evidently you fail to understand the difference, from the standpoint of English syntax, between claiming

    1) that it's heretical to consider BoD to be heretical
    2) that it's heretical to not believe in BoD

    But neither logic nor the English language seems to be your strengths.
    Both are heretical, you fool.
    The only difference is that those hold held it before the Church ruled on it are NOT heretics.
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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #31 on: February 04, 2021, 11:10:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Papa Pius V on February 04, 2021, 11:05:29 AM
    Another Ad hominem from Ladi. No surprise there.  :clown:

    Deny, then, that you are the same person who either had the Lover of Truth account or the one who runs that Baptism of Desire website.

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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #32 on: February 04, 2021, 11:10:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 04, 2021, 11:08:43 AM
    Imbecile, the proof is in your first post.
    Point it out explicitly, buffoon.
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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #33 on: February 04, 2021, 11:12:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Papa Pius V on February 04, 2021, 11:10:10 AM
    Both are heretical, you fool.
    The only difference is that those hold held it before the Church ruled on it are NOT heretics.

    Then you should have managed to articulated that at the outset of this stupid thread.  You started with one and then shifted to the other.
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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #34 on: February 04, 2021, 11:13:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 04, 2021, 11:10:28 AM
    Deny, then, that you are the same person who either had the Lover of Truth account or the one who runs that Baptism of Desire website.
    I completely deny both claims.
    I am not "Lover of Truth" nor do I run any website whatsoever. I don't even have a social mєdια account. The only forums I frequent is this one and Suscipe Domine. I've been a lurker here for a while. I know all about Lover of Heresy, Poche, Croix, and the other psychologically unstable idiots you are accusing me of being.
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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #35 on: February 04, 2021, 11:13:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Papa Pius V on February 04, 2021, 11:10:40 AM
    Point it out explicitly, buffoon.

    You're actually dumber than what I first gave you credit for:
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    The Feeneyite believes Baptism of Desire and Blood is heresy against the definitions of the Council of Trent. Therefore
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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #36 on: February 04, 2021, 11:14:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 04, 2021, 11:13:20 AM
    You're actually dumber than what I first gave you credit for:
    How is that inconsistent with what I have been saying?
    Are you an idiot? Serious question.
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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #37 on: February 04, 2021, 11:20:19 AM »
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    • Baptism of Desire is Catholic Doctrine. The necessity of the Catholic Faith for Salvation is also a certain Doctrine. Pope St. Pius X, following St. Alphonsus and the other Doctors, defines the doctrine of Baptism of Desire as an act of Perfect Love of God, or of Contrition, along with the Desire, explicit or implicit, of the Sacrament of Baptism. In another place, the same Holy Father teaches that all who are saved had embraced the Catholic Faith (which means explicitly at least the Holy Trinity and Incarnation) before death. It follows that all who receive the Baptism of Desire will be led by God to embrace the Catholic Faith, at least at the point of death. This is also taught by Fr. Michael Mueller in a 19th Century Catechism approved by Rome. There is a minority view which is permitted by the Magisterium of the Church that faith that God Exists and that He rewards is sufficient for salvation; but the Doctors commonly teach that explicit faith in Christ is a necessary means of salvation. This was the state of the question before Vatican II and it still is today. 
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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #38 on: February 04, 2021, 11:36:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Papa Pius V on February 04, 2021, 10:19:31 AM
    Another Feeneyite leaves Catholicism to make his own sect via his understanding.
    You are the one who says salvation can be obtained via desire for the sacrament - but I left Catholicism for saying, with Trent, that the sacraments are necessary for salvation and that without the desire for the sacraments there is no justification? :facepalm:

    You have established that you will not answer simple questions because doing so would prove you either wrong or a liar, but please, do explain your above comment.

    Please note, Trent does not even teach that the sacrament of baptism will save anyone, only that it is necessary for salvation. Did you know that? Well, you know that now.
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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #39 on: February 04, 2021, 11:40:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: XavierSem on February 04, 2021, 11:20:19 AM
    Baptism of Desire is Catholic Doctrine.
    No, it's not. If you say that, without the sacraments, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification, I will let you be anathema as Trent directs.
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    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #40 on: February 04, 2021, 11:42:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on February 04, 2021, 11:36:00 AM
    You are the one who says salvation can be obtained via desire for the sacrament - but I left Catholicism for saying, with Trent, that the sacraments are necessary for salvation and that without the desire for the sacrament there is no justification? :facepalm:

    You have established that you will not answer simple questions because doing so would prove you either wrong or a liar, but please, do explain your above comment.

    Please note, Trent does not even teach that the sacrament of baptism will save anyone, only that it is necessary for salvation. Did you know that? Well, you know that now.
    You must be unable to understand English and/or have serious issues in reading comprehension.
    You are interpreting Trent whether you want to admit to it or not. You thereby are automatically excommunicated and therefore a schismatic on top of being a heretic for rejecting BOD & BOB.
    I will not discuss Trent with you as I said over and over again.
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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #41 on: February 04, 2021, 11:43:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on February 04, 2021, 11:40:19 AM
    No, it's not. If you say that, without the sacraments, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification, I will let you be anathema as Trent directs.
    Yes it is. And you are a schismatic heretic for rejecting it and interpreting Trent like your brothers in faithlessness the Dimond Bros.
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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #42 on: February 04, 2021, 11:46:13 AM »
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    • Regarding desire mentioned in the Council of Trent, the book, Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent , is the actual Council of Trent - not a catechism based on it - but rather the actual written decrees, the actual record.

    - Original text with English translation by Rev. H. J. Schroeder, O.P., from Refuge of Sinners Publishing

    It explains that "baptism of desire" takes effect at the pouring of the water - at the sacrament itself.

    Priest:  "N., do you wish to be baptized?"

    N.:  "I do"

    (or the Godparents for an infant)

    - the catechumen has to indicate the will or wish to be baptized, then the sacrament's form and matter follow.
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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #43 on: February 04, 2021, 11:50:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Papa Pius V on February 04, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
    You must be unable to understand English and/or have serious issues in reading comprehension.
    You are interpreting Trent whether you want to admit to it or not. You thereby are automatically excommunicated and therefore a schismatic on top of being a heretic for rejecting BOD & BOB.
    I will not discuss Trent with you as I said over and over again.
    You are discussing a BOD, whatever that is, not Trent anyway. BODers necessarily MUST reject Trent, you are no different because you are a BODer.

    So why not simply give in and show us all your theological brilliance by actually answering the questions I asked. 
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    Re: The Absurdities of The Feeneyite Heresy
    « Reply #44 on: February 04, 2021, 11:52:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: clement21 on February 04, 2021, 11:46:13 AM
    Regarding desire mentioned in the Council of Trent, the book, Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent , is the actual Council of Trent - not a catechism based on it - but rather the actual written decrees, the actual record.

    - Original text with English translation by Rev. H. J. Schroeder, O.P., from Refuge of Sinners Publishing

    It explains that "baptism of desire" takes effect at the pouring of the water - at the sacrament itself.

    Priest:  "N., do you wish to be baptized?"

    N.:  "I do"

    (or the Godparents for an infant)

    - the catechumen has to indicate the will or wish to be baptized, then the sacrament's form and matter follow.
    If there is such a thing as a BOD, this^^ is it.
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    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse
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