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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => The Feeneyism Ghetto => Topic started by: TKGS on January 18, 2019, 08:28:19 PM

Title: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: TKGS on January 18, 2019, 08:28:19 PM
Interesting news out of New Hampshire--courtesy of the U.K. Catholic Herald because the U.S. press seldom discusses such issues:

https://catholicherald.co.uk/magazine/why-is-the-vatican-taking-action-against-the-slaves-of-the-immaculate-heart-of-mary/?platform=hootsuite (https://catholicherald.co.uk/magazine/why-is-the-vatican-taking-action-against-the-slaves-of-the-immaculate-heart-of-mary/?platform=hootsuite)

Looks like the Vatican won't accept Feeneyites in their ranks.
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: Cantarella on January 18, 2019, 09:14:16 PM
Saint Benedict Center Official Press Statements (https://catholicism.org/press-releases.html)

Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: Cantarella on January 18, 2019, 09:36:15 PM

Looks like the Vatican won't accept Feeneyites in their ranks.

Sodomites accepted in their ranks, but not "Fenneyites".

Divorced and remarried receiving the Catholic Sacraments, but not "Feeneyites".

Such is the state of affairs in 2019   ::)
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: TKGS on January 18, 2019, 09:36:26 PM
Nice to see that the Saint Benedict Center has confirmed the news story from the U.S. Catholic Herald.

It's nice to see that not every mainstream news outlet dedicated to fake news.
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: Cantarella on January 18, 2019, 09:53:15 PM
Nice to see that the Saint Benedict Center has confirmed the news story from the U.S. Catholic Herald.

It's nice to see that not every mainstream news outlet dedicated to fake news.

Yes, it is true.

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On January 7 this year, the Diocese of Manchester imposed stringent penalties that may very well spell the end for the Saint Benedict Center. As of that day, said the diocese, “under no circumstances may Catholics receive the sacraments of the Church at the Saint Benedict Center or any of its locations, nor should they participate in any activity provided by this group or school”. Furthermore, as of that date, “Catholic priests are under strict prohibition from celebrating the Sacraments of the Church there”.

It is 1949 all over again!
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on January 19, 2019, 03:43:42 AM

Yes. And all this preceeding the SSPX Prelature, what a coincidence.  ::)
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: Stubborn on January 19, 2019, 04:58:02 AM
Saint Benedict Center Official Press Statements (https://catholicism.org/press-releases.html)
From the link:

"It is with sorrow that we must inform our many friends and supporters, and all the faithful Catholics who have attended the Traditional Latin Mass at Saint Benedict Center, that the Diocese of Manchester has now refused us the services of a priest, and has prohibited the administration of the sacraments at the Center.

We were surprised and disappointed by this decision. We are working to resolve this impasse, and will keep you informed about our progress."


Hard to believe they were surprised, but that being the case, it's no wonder they're disappointed. Sad to see they are directing more of their efforts toward going back for more. They are in the running for poster child of "Some people will never learn."

Attempting to "dialogue" about the doctrine of exclusive salvation with conciliar authorities? Will they never learn that there is nothing to "dialogue" about with those conciliarists who only have one infallible doctrine, the one which infallibly rejects the EENS doctrine as heresy?  What's wrong with them?



The whole episode reminds me of this snip from a sermon Fr. Wathen gave a few days after +ABL's excommunication. In regards to who the SBC is dealing with, nothing has changed:


..."the negotiations the archbishop and the officials in the Vatican had to do with the official Church giving him permission to perform these ordinations, and he eventually learned that the only reason that they were negotiating with him at all, was in order that they could get control through a commission, which they would establish to oversee his efforts and the efforts of his priests, to get control so that in due time they could completely nullify the whole enterprise.

The archbishop's intentions are well known to the whole world, they are to preservation of the faith, and we find that these who have charge of the Church had, and have, no other intention in this regard than to destroy the faith. That is their intention as I say, and that is an easily delineated and recognizable purpose that they have.

The reason why I make the point here, is simply that you need to be reminded of the powers that be. Just because they wear sacerdotal vestments and because they wear pectoral crosses, and because they seem to be Catholic, is no indication whatsoever of what they are. When you see them before the television cameras and you hear them making their pontifical statements, think of ravening wolves, think of men with forked tongues, think of men who are trained to deceive, who have cultivated the talent.

One of the priests who was interviewed concerning the excommunication of the archbishop said; "Well, it's an unfortunate thing but it is better to perform an amputation than that there be gangrene throughout the body."

I don't know how that strikes you but it strikes me as meaning this: Better to expel the archbishop and this smaller group of people from the Church, than to allow the influence that he might spread to circulate through the whole body of the Church, in other words, the true faith to him, is poison, they are in the position of power, but they regard the true faith as a contamination, as a dangerous infection..."



Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: DLaurentius on January 19, 2019, 06:48:05 AM
Although I do not agree with the Feenyite positions on Baptism of Desire, I have not found any convincing evidence that their positions constitute heresy. There are countless blatantly heretical groups that are allowed to operate within the structures of the Conciliar Church and almost nothing is ever done about them. This action against the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary reeks of a traditionalist witch-hunt and should remind everyone of how dangerous it is to be dependent on the Conciliar Church for the Sacraments. 
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: 2Vermont on January 19, 2019, 07:18:05 AM
From the link:

"It is with sorrow that we must inform our many friends and supporters, and all the faithful Catholics who have attended the Traditional Latin Mass at Saint Benedict Center, that the Diocese of Manchester has now refused us the services of a priest, and has prohibited the administration of the sacraments at the Center.

We were surprised and disappointed by this decision. We are working to resolve this impasse, and will keep you informed about our progress."


Hard to believe they were surprised, but that being the case, it's no wonder they're disappointed. Sad to see they are directing more of their efforts toward going back for more. They are in the running for poster child of "Some people will never learn."

Attempting to "dialogue" about the doctrine of exclusive salvation with conciliar authorities? Will they never learn that there is nothing to "dialogue" about with those conciliarists who only have one infallible doctrine, the one which infallibly rejects the EENS doctrine as heresy?  What's wrong with them?

How is this different than what the SSPX has been doing for decades now?
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: Stubborn on January 19, 2019, 07:34:02 AM
How is this different than what the SSPX has been doing for decades now?
The SSPX has always diluted the dogma EENS, other than that, no difference.
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: Pax Vobis on January 19, 2019, 09:11:11 AM
There’s a big difference in that the SBC doesn’t have a seminary or any priests.  They do have a school (which I doubt will stop) but they were relying on the local bishop for an indult priest.  So now, they are priestless.  

They made a deal with the local bishop a few years ago so now they have to depend on Rome for the TLM.  Look what that’s gotten them...
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: 2Vermont on January 19, 2019, 09:22:56 AM
There’s a big difference in that the SBC doesn’t have a seminary or any priests.  They do have a school (which I doubt will stop) but they were relying on the local bishop for an indult priest.  So now, they are priestless.  

They made a deal with the local bishop a few years ago so now they have to depend on Rome for the TLM.  Look what that’s gotten them...
I was referring to their dialoguing with the "Conciliar" church.  It's interesting that you mention the need for an "indult" priest because, except for EENS, they seem to act much like the Conciliar indult groups.
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: Pax Vobis on January 19, 2019, 01:11:30 PM
They ARE a conciliar indult group, as of 4-5 yrs ago, when they made a deal with the local bishop.  Before that, they’ve always been soft on the new mass.  

Just goes to show, if one doesn’t reject the new mass 100%, then logically, there’s no reason to be outside of new-rome.  
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: poche on January 19, 2019, 11:44:18 PM
Yes. And all this preceeding the SSPX Prelature, what a coincidence.  ::)
Actually the SSPX has not accepted the Vatican's offer of an arrangement of a prelature.
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: poche on January 19, 2019, 11:47:44 PM
Immediately prior to his death Fr Feeney did have a reconciliation with the Catholic Church.
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: Incredulous on January 20, 2019, 12:58:04 AM
Actually the SSPX has not accepted the Vatican's offer of an arrangement of a prelature.

You've got it slightly upside down Poche.
The SSPX conjured-up the idea of prelature and presented it to newChurch (Source Fr. Schmidberger).
It's newChurch that hasn't accepted it yet.
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: Incredulous on January 20, 2019, 01:04:46 AM
Immediately prior to his death Fr Feeney did have a reconciliation with the Catholic Church.

This statement needs correction:

Prior to his death, Father Feeney was presented with an offer to get out of his invalid excommunication by the schismatic Novus ordo Church.

He was required to recite the "Apostles Creed" which he already prayed on a regular basis.

The excommunication and lifting of the excommunication were both fraudulent, newChurch events.
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: rum on January 20, 2019, 10:33:12 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/20080120015123/http://www.cheetah.net/~ccoulomb/legalstatusoffeenyism.html

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The Sisters of St. Ann’s House have recently published a new book, primarily of Father’s lectures, entitled Not Made For This World. The last section is made up of anecdotes about him, the final one of which is as follows:
 
 “The Brothers used to take Father for drives as he got older. One day, shortly before his death [i.e., 1978, six years after the “reconciliation”], they took him to the Trappist Abbey at Spencer, where the monks invited them into the cloister for lunch. Father was quiet as lunch progressed. Then he stood up, rapped his glass for attention, said, ‘There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church,’ and sat down.” Obviously, he held to his guns.
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: ihsv on January 30, 2019, 10:15:42 PM
This statement needs correction:

Prior to his death, Father Feeney was presented with an offer to get out of his invalid excommunication by the schismatic Novus ordo Church.

He was required to recite the "Apostles Creed" which he already prayed on a regular basis.

The excommunication and lifting of the excommunication were both fraudulent, newChurch events.

If memory serves, I believe it was the Athanasian Creed (https://www.urcna.org/urcna/Creeds/Athanasian%20Creed.pdf) he recited, not the Apostle's Creed.  
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: Clemens Maria on January 31, 2019, 07:44:11 PM
This statement needs correction:

Prior to his death, Father Feeney was presented with an offer to get out of his invalid excommunication by the schismatic Novus ordo Church.

He was required to recite the "Apostles Creed" which he already prayed on a regular basis.

The excommunication and lifting of the excommunication were both fraudulent, newChurch events.
No, the excommunication happened in 1953 under Pope Pius XII so regardless of the validity (or injustice) it was certainly not a “newChurch” event.  Also regardless of whether the lifting of the excommunication was a “newChurch” event or not, it was valid because Fr Feeney believed they were legitimate authorities of the Church and he showed his sorrow for having been disobedient to Church authority which is what he was specifically excommunicated for.  So he certainly died in the Church and he was never excommunicated for his theology.  In cases where there is common error regarding jurisdiction the Church supplies.  The lifting of the excommunication is a perfect example of that.
Title: Re: Saint Benedict Center
Post by: Incredulous on February 01, 2019, 01:39:23 AM

Father Feeney's fake excommunication occurred when newChurch was well under way, under Pope Pius XII. 
The Feeney assault providentially started in the mid 1940s, when newChurch was still forming.
It became one of their unexpected, first public "street fights".

In the early 1950's Pius XII had allowed Bugini to initiate international liturgical conferences and modify the Mass Canon.
He had given Rosie Goldie, a wealthy Australian jewess a complex of buildings called the Piazza di San Calisto to organize literature for the new international hierarchy-laity relations.  And if you recall, in 1953 and they extracted the "perfidious jew" from the Roman Missal.

At the time, newChurch stated Father Feeney was excommunicated for the "disobedience", but he was never presented with formal charges or given the ability to defend himself, as required by Canon Law.  He stated this explicitly.

BTW, What evidence do you have showing Father Feeney was contrite and sorrowful for his actions?