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Offline Angelus

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Re: Possible strict-EENS chapel
« Reply #265 on: December 13, 2025, 09:37:17 PM »
Quote from: WorldsAway on December 13, 2025, 09:26:54 PM
Rather, "MY Lord". You are a wicked heretic. I will pray for your conversion

Prayers for me are always welcome. I will pray for you as well.
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Offline WorldsAway

Re: Possible strict-EENS chapel
« Reply #266 on: December 14, 2025, 05:13:18 AM »
"I didn't say this, I didn't say that"

You claim these souls will have Original Sin remitted at/after the Second Coming. Original Sin being the impediment to a soul enjoying the Beatific Vision. 

You claim this will be a "similar event" to Our Lord's Sacrifice, which He offered ONCE, on the cross, for the redemption of mankind. Mankind. Was redeemed. ONCE. This same Redemption is what enabled the OT Just to attain the Beatific Vision. 

So you are either saying some will have Original Sin remitted and will not be able to enjoy the BV, or you are saying the BV is not enjoyed for eternity 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Possible strict-EENS chapel
« Reply #267 on: December 14, 2025, 06:49:34 AM »
Quote from: WorldsAway on December 14, 2025, 05:13:18 AM
"I didn't say this, I didn't say that"

You claim these souls will have Original Sin remitted at/after the Second Coming. Original Sin being the impediment to a soul enjoying the Beatific Vision.

You claim this will be a "similar event" to Our Lord's Sacrifice, which He offered ONCE, on the cross, for the redemption of mankind. Mankind. Was redeemed. ONCE. This same Redemption is what enabled the OT Just to attain the Beatific Vision.

So you are either saying some will have Original Sin remitted and will not be able to enjoy the BV, or you are saying the BV is not enjoyed for eternity

Apart from the fact that he keeps redefining terms, where there's eternal Hell and regular Hell = Purgatory ... yeah, he does sound like he's rehashing the Origen heresy :  "apokatastasis" (in Greek), and the same thing that Bergoglios evidently spewed about to Scalfari.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Possible strict-EENS chapel
« Reply #268 on: December 14, 2025, 06:52:33 AM »
Quote from: WorldsAway on December 13, 2025, 09:26:54 PM
Rather, "MY Lord". You are a wicked heretic. I will pray for your conversion

I usually give a lot of leeway here, but there are two here on CI that I have no choice but to call out as heretics, because they spew heresy, repeatedly, over and over again, despite having been corrected.  What this means is that they've already pre-decided that they don't like EENS dogma as the Church meant it, so they try to redefine.  There's actually a lot of room for speculation here where the Church hasn't defined it.  Limbo didn't become a concept until the 12th century.  So, it's not an innovation, as the Church condemned those who claimed it was Pelagian heresy, since it derives from various theological principles, but it is speculation.  There's a lot that God did not reveal about eternity, and that's undoubtedly because He doesn't want people to get complacent in sin and not fear eternity.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Possible strict-EENS chapel
« Reply #269 on: December 14, 2025, 07:39:42 AM »
Quote from: Angelus on December 13, 2025, 08:47:28 PM
As I have shown you at least 3 times, there will be a New Heaven and New Earth that are merged into one. There will no longer be a split between those two places. That is what Apocalypse 21 says.

After the General Judgment, there will only be two places for souls: the NHNE and Hell. Why? Because there will only be two types of people (souls merged with bodies): the righteous and the reprobate.
Right.  And the ignorant go to limbo WHICH IS PART OF HELL.  They don’t get to take part in NHNE.  The ignorant of the New Testament ARE NOT the same as the OT Just, your main error.  The ignorant of the New Testament DO NOT go to the Abraham’s Bosom, but the separate place called limbo of the infants.  

The old vs New Testament had different religious requirements ergo there are different limbos.  The former was a temporary place.  The latter is permanent.  
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