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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Possible strict-EENS chapel
« Reply #330 on: January 27, 2026, 06:37:37 PM »
Quote from: songbird on January 27, 2026, 05:15:24 PM
Giles:  you bring up good questions.  Yes, the thoughts were in minds of theologians, saints.  The best I read was, If one had desires to be baptized, and/or receiving classes, when they die, bury them as IF they are catholic. We don't claim they are, for that is God's judgement.  We don't know. We go by what we know and that is "There is no salvation outside the Church". 

It does not surprise me that this being most important, Baptism, and EENS, is attacked by adversaries. 

What I see with BOD, is a lax, or slowness to Baptize.  I actually heard a nun say, " Oh, there is BOD, and no hurry".  Bologna I say!

Knowledge begets Attitude, begets Behavior.  KAB. Communist go by this idea. Watch out for it.
Canon law states that catechumans don't receive Christian burial. Catholic doctrine says that only those baptise and profess the truth faith are members of the Church.

Claiming you bury then IF they are Catholic yet also claiming you don't claim they are is a contradiction. If they aren't baptised they aren't Catholics.
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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Possible strict-EENS chapel
« Reply #331 on: January 27, 2026, 06:40:56 PM »
Quote from: Gray2023 on January 27, 2026, 06:14:48 PM
But that person had the sin of presumption.  It does not mean that BoD is not a thing because people use it improperly..

I still don't get why we argue about this sooo much.  We need to just convert everybody as best we can using EENS  Period.  End of story.
Because most trads do not believe EENS. And they viciously attack those who do by calling us heretics.

They are also using a false version of BoD to gut EENS. This have been explained many times and you still don't seem to get it. (Also no version of BoD is 'correct' but the Saints speculated for catechumans only).
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Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: Possible strict-EENS chapel
« Reply #332 on: January 27, 2026, 07:21:54 PM »
Quote from: Angelus on December 14, 2025, 03:29:48 PM
Says the man who puts Leonard Feeney's interpretation of those teachings ABOVE the interpretation of Pius IX.
The reign of Pope Pius IX was thirty-two years.  I find it admirable how so many Catholic individuals are just yearning to find a way to put noxious heretics into heaven because they are so sincere in their heresies.  The poor native who was on a desert island, sucking on Coca Cola, looking at his cellphone, but could not find out about the Church.  Poor guy!  It is laughable to think that everything Pope Pius IX has written is infallible.  When the pope writes an Encyclical - even if he is a pre-Vatican II pope - is just as fallible as any other theologian. The only exception is an Encyclical which invokes the charism of infallibility, and even then usually only one or two sentences are the subject of infallibility. 
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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Possible strict-EENS chapel
« Reply #333 on: January 27, 2026, 07:43:31 PM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on January 27, 2026, 06:40:56 PM
Because most trads do not believe EENS. And they viciously attack those who do by calling us heretics.

They are also using a false version of BoD to gut EENS. This have been explained many times and you still don't seem to get it. (Also no version of BoD is 'correct' but the Saints speculated for catechumans only).
If I don't get it and others don't get it and there is no official docuŠ¼ent from the church condemning BoD or defining BoD, then it is still up for discussion.  Correct?

If you are talking about people who are Novus Ordo Catholics and people who follow the SSPX then of course they do not believe in EENS, because they have been taught incorrectly. I am just tired of non theologians, people who have no authority in the Church what so ever deciding that this topic has been dogmatically decided and people can call others heretics because of it.  Do not be naive BoDers and Non-BoDers both call each other heretics in a heated debate.  In this day and age nobody seems to know their proper place with God.  Just saying.
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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: Possible strict-EENS chapel
« Reply #334 on: January 28, 2026, 01:46:47 AM »
Quote from: Gray2023 on January 27, 2026, 07:43:31 PM
If I don't get it and others don't get it and there is no official docuŠ¼ent from the church condemning BoD or defining BoD, then it is still up for discussion.  Correct?

If you are talking about people who are Novus Ordo Catholics and people who follow the SSPX then of course they do not believe in EENS, because they have been taught incorrectly. I am just tired of non theologians, people who have no authority in the Church what so ever deciding that this topic has been dogmatically decided and people can call others heretics because of it.  Do not be naive BoDers and Non-BoDers both call each other heretics in a heated debate.  In this day and age nobody seems to know their proper place with God.  Just saying.

Gray,
My husband and I spoke to you at SSP&P chapel in York after Mass about 2 years ago when you visited on a Dominican saint Feast because your priest was not well. You were all emotion attacking "Feenyism". You brought it up. When dogma was mentioned, you had absolutely no idea what it was and asked the question "Where do I find dogma?" You are correct, there are no theologians here but some, have been long time Catholics, some for 50+ years in tradition. As a convert and recent in tradition, I respectfully suggest you dedicate your time on subjects you know more about. I've enjoyed some of your topics. "Just saying".
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