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« Reply #105 on: October 24, 2013, 01:00:39 PM »
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    Gooch,

    I am supposing you are sincere and truly want to get to the bottom of the issue.  If you are you will read the following which is 90% Fenton.  Please read the following articles from the bottom up and bring up any quote from Fenton that you either are not sure about or disagree with and we'll talk:


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    Why quote something that needs an explanation? There must be a Father, Saint or Doctor in Church history that said clearly and without needing explanations whatever Fenton wants to say. Either Fenton was just not a good communicator (which I doubt), or he was controlled by the narrow tightrope he had to walk to keep his position, his high position in the 1950's and 1960's.




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    « Reply #106 on: October 24, 2013, 03:02:37 PM »
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    Why quote something that needs an explanation?
    Yes, actually quote an explanation; something you NEVER do.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    « Reply #107 on: October 25, 2013, 05:25:47 AM »
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  • Monsignor Fenton does not need to be explained, he does the explaining.  The below articles are over 90% Fenton.  I don't explain him in the articles so much as just letting him present authoritative teachings which HE explains.  And he is as clear is possible.  It would be difficult for any intelligent person to carefully read him and understand him.

    Anyone who is sincere and truly wants to get to the bottom of the issue. Will read the following.  Those who believe Father Fenton errs will be able to refute him with properly interpreted authoritative sources.  But the below are for those opened to truth not those who have irrevocably already decided the issue in their minds and will disagree over and over again, while ignoring and misrepresenting things they cannot refute:

    http://www.dailycatholic.org/2013ftt.htm

    installment 87: The Allocution: Singulari Quadam

    installment 86: The Decree for the Jacobites: Cantate Domino

    installment 85: The Dogmatic Decree on Salvation: Unam Sanctam

    installment 84: The Dogma of Salvation and the Fourth Lateran Council

    installment 83: The Dogma of Salvation in Official Pronouncements of the Church

    installment 82: Some Sources of Misunderstanding

    installment 81: Introduction to The Catholic Church and Salvation

    installment 80: Father Fenton's "The Use of the Terms Body and Soul with Reference to the Catholic Church

    installment 79: Definition of Faith for the Dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

    installment 78: No Salvation Outside the Church

    installment 77: Membership In and Visibility of the Church

    installment 76: Definitive Definition of the Mystical Body of Christ

    installment 75: On the Mystical Body of Christ
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #108 on: October 25, 2013, 06:01:27 AM »
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    Why quote something that needs an explanation? There must be a Father, Saint or Doctor in Church history that said clearly and without needing explanations whatever Fenton wants to say. Either Fenton was just not a good communicator (which I doubt), or he was controlled by the narrow the tightrope he had to walk to keep his position, his job.

    Your quotes sound like any writing of JPII.

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    « Reply #109 on: October 25, 2013, 06:47:34 AM »
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    "The teaching on the double bond of union with Christ within the Catholic Church was developed by Catholic controversialists and school theologians from John Driedo (1535) and James Latomus (1546) to St. Robert Bellarmine (1621). The doctrine on the indwelling of the Holy Ghost was found in treatises De Missionibus Divinis. The various tracts De Eucharistia, De Sacrificio and De Sacerdotio brought out the truth that the Mass is the Act of the Mystical Body.


    Bowler have you read, let alone understood John Driedo, James Latomus, Saint Robert Bellarmine, De Missionibus Divinis, De Echaristia, De Sacrificio and De Sacerdotio as Monsignor Fenton has?  Didn't think so.

    Fenton was controlled by nobody, he was not a respecter of persons, just the truth.  That is what he knew that is what he taught, bring proof for your unsubstantiated, false and calumnious claims.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church