Author Topic: How can you defend the salvation dogma with... (Read 7166 times)

bowler · « **Reply #105 on:** October 24, 2013, 01:00:39 PM »

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Gooch,

I am supposing you are sincere and truly want to get to the bottom of the issue. If you are you will read the following which is 90% Fenton. Please read the following articles from the bottom up and bring up any quote from Fenton that you either are not sure about or disagree with and we'll talk:

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Why quote something that needs an explanation? There must be a Father, Saint or Doctor in Church history that said clearly and without needing explanations whatever Fenton wants to say. Either Fenton was just not a good communicator (which I doubt), or he was controlled by the narrow tightrope he had to walk to keep his position, his high position in the 1950's and 1960's.

SJB · « **Reply #106 on:** October 24, 2013, 03:02:37 PM »

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Why quote something that needs an explanation?

Yes, actually quote an explanation; something you NEVER do.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #107 on:** October 25, 2013, 05:25:47 AM »

Monsignor Fenton does not need to be explained, he does the explaining. The below articles are over 90% Fenton. I don't explain him in the articles so much as just letting him present authoritative teachings which HE explains. And he is as clear is possible. It would be difficult for any intelligent person to carefully read him and understand him.

Anyone who is sincere and truly wants to get to the bottom of the issue. Will read the following. Those who believe Father Fenton errs will be able to refute him with properly interpreted authoritative sources. But the below are for those opened to truth not those who have irrevocably already decided the issue in their minds and will disagree over and over again, while ignoring and misrepresenting things they cannot refute:

http://www.dailycatholic.org/2013ftt.htm

installment 87: The Allocution: Singulari Quadam

installment 86: The Decree for the Jacobites: Cantate Domino

installment 85: The Dogmatic Decree on Salvation: Unam Sanctam

installment 84: The Dogma of Salvation and the Fourth Lateran Council

installment 83: The Dogma of Salvation in Official Pronouncements of the Church

installment 82: Some Sources of Misunderstanding

installment 81: Introduction to The Catholic Church and Salvation

installment 80: Father Fenton's "The Use of the Terms Body and Soul with Reference to the Catholic Church

installment 79: Definition of Faith for the Dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

installment 78: No Salvation Outside the Church

installment 77: Membership In and Visibility of the Church

installment 76: Definitive Definition of the Mystical Body of Christ

installment 75: On the Mystical Body of Christ

bowler · « **Reply #108 on:** October 25, 2013, 06:01:27 AM »

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Why quote something that needs an explanation? There must be a Father, Saint or Doctor in Church history that said clearly and without needing explanations whatever Fenton wants to say. Either Fenton was just not a good communicator (which I doubt), or he was controlled by the narrow the tightrope he had to walk to keep his position, his job.

Your quotes sound like any writing of JPII.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #109 on:** October 25, 2013, 06:47:34 AM »

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"The teaching on the double bond of union with Christ within the Catholic Church was developed by Catholic controversialists and school theologians from John Driedo (1535) and James Latomus (1546) to St. Robert Bellarmine (1621). The doctrine on the indwelling of the Holy Ghost was found in treatises De Missionibus Divinis. The various tracts De Eucharistia, De Sacrificio and De Sacerdotio brought out the truth that the Mass is the Act of the Mystical Body.

Bowler have you read, let alone understood John Driedo, James Latomus, Saint Robert Bellarmine, De Missionibus Divinis, De Echaristia, De Sacrificio and De Sacerdotio as Monsignor Fenton has? Didn't think so.

Fenton was controlled by nobody, he was not a respecter of persons, just the truth. That is what he knew that is what he taught, bring proof for your unsubstantiated, false and calumnious claims.