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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Miraculous Baptisms
« Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 04:51:18 PM »
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  • How badly did they mess with Pius X's catechism? Jeepers.

    So, if you read up on it -- there's an article in an old "The Angelus" by one of the Fr. Duvergers (can't recall) where he says it's a misnomer to call the 1912 Catechism the "Catechism of St. Pius X".  What he actually did was to take an only one from the 1700s for the Diocese of Piedmont ... and he set up a commission to revise it, so it was not an expansion of the little one that he himself hard personally written, even though that's the popular misconception.  But, that on there has one question about BoD, allegedly, whereas other editions have two or three.  There's one which says that people who have the right dispositions are "on the WAY of salvation", but doesn't say they would be saved if they died on the way.  But, even with the 1912 one, if you dig around, and I've dispatched various AI tools to go hunting for it, you can't actually find one from 1912.  You have these "reprints" from the 1950sa, 1930s, and the earliest one that I could find was from 1920.  They're labeled reprints, but you can find changes being snuck into them.

    Now, there was a poster here some years ago who did manage to locate a copy put up by some museum in Italy where they were the purported originals, and there were photos of the contents ... and that version conspiculously lacked the BoD passage.

    Basically, when St. Pius X died, they couldn't get rid of him fast enough.  He was despised by all the Modernists, and there were many.  His body was still warm when his successor had already dissolved the Sodalitium, which had been absolution essential, and they railroaded Cardinal Merry del Val ... and got rid of all St. Pius X's "chosen" post haste.

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    Re: Miraculous Baptisms
    « Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 04:57:33 PM »
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  • There's something similar out there, not only in St. Pius X, but the Dimond Brothers point out the same thing in Dr. Ludwig Ott.

    One question in the Catechism (which version I know not) asks "Is the Sacrament of Baptism necessary for salvation?", and the answer is that it's ABSOLUTELY necessary for salvation.  Next question then gives exceptions?  Absolutely does not admit of exceptions.  Ott does the same thing in his book.

    We can see either tamperring taking place, or else, in the case of Ott, cognitive dissonance of some kind.

    But you can find 1950s editions of the "St. Pius X Catechism" that still purport to be the same thing, but they're significantly transformed.


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    Re: Miraculous Baptisms
    « Reply #47 on: Yesterday at 05:33:14 PM »
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    Trent, Decree on Justification

    CHAPTER VII.
    What the justification of the impious is, and what are the causes thereof.
     
    This disposition, or preparation, is followed by Justification itself, which is not remission of sins merely, but also the sanctification and renewal of the inward man, through the voluntary reception of the grace, and of the gifts, whereby man of unjust becomes just, and of an enemy a friend, that so he may be an heir according to hope of life everlasting.

    Of this Justification the causes are these: the final cause indeed is the glory of God and of Jesus Christ, and life everlasting; while the efficient cause is a merciful God who washes and sanctifies gratuitously, signing, and anointing with the holy Spirit of promise, who is the pledge of our inheritance; but the meritorious cause is His most beloved only-begotten, our Lord Jesus Christ, who, when we were enemies, for the exceeding charity wherewith he loved us, merited Justification for us by His most holy Passion on the wood of the cross, and made satisfaction for us unto God the Father; the instrumental cause is the sacrament of baptism, which is the sacrament of faith, without which (faith) no man was ever justified; lastly, the alone formal cause is the justice of God, not that whereby He Himself is just, but that whereby He maketh us just, that, to wit, with which we being endowed by Him, are renewed in the spirit of our mind, and we are not only reputed, but are truly called, and are, just, receiving justice within us, each one according to his own measure, which the Holy Ghost distributes to every one as He wills, and according to each one’s proper disposition and co-operation. For, although no one can be just, but he to whom the merits of the Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ are communicated, yet is this done in the said justification of the impious, when by the merit of that same most holy Passion, the charity of God is poured forth, by the Holy Spirit, in the hearts of those that are justified, and is inherent therein: whence, man, through Jesus Christ, in whom he is ingrafted, receives, in the said justification, together with the remission of sins, all these (gifts) infused at once, faith, hope, and charity. For faith, unless hope and charity be added thereto, neither unites man perfectly with Christ, nor makes him a living member of His body. For which reason it is most truly said, that Faith without works is dead and profitless; and, In Christ Jesus neither circuмcision, availeth anything, nor uncircuмcision, but faith which worketh by charity. This faith, Catechumen’s beg of the Church-agreeably to a tradition of the apostles-previously to the sacrament of Baptism; when they beg for the faith which bestows life everlasting, which, without hope and charity, faith cannot bestow: whence also do they immediately hear that word of Christ; If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Wherefore, when receiving true and Christian justice, they are bidden, immediately on being born again, to preserve it pure and spotless, as the first robe given them through Jesus Christ in lieu of that which [Page 36] Adam, by his disobedience, lost for himself and for us, that so they may bear it before the judgment-seat of our Lord Jesus Christ, and may have life everlasting.

    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.