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SJB's answer is the answer I would give, so I'm stumped as to why SJB would answer as I would. Did I miss something during my absence from CI?

You must have been missing the same thing when you were here.

Games, games, what a waste of time it is to talk to you.

You and LaramieHirsh are birds of a feather.

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SJB's answer is the answer I would give, so I'm stumped as to why SJB would answer as I would. Did I miss something during my absence from CI?

You must have been missing the same thing when you were here.

Games, games, what a waste of time it is to talk to you.

You and LaramieHirsh are birds of a feather.

I don't know anything about LaramieHirsh, I do know you, and your waste of postings, this being another. You write more one sentence postings than anyone I know. I'd rather get my teeth drilled than have to go through like 20 of your one line postings to find out what if anything you are talking about. You must be posting from a cell phone.

Your are a thread diluter, a thread killer.

I'm not here to educate you bowler. That's not possible anyway. Like I said, you and Laramie hold the very same error. Dogmas only (as you read the "as written" English translation) and nothing else. You are the sole interpreter and you have no problem ignoring and denigrating any and all approved teachers in the Church.

I take back everything i said against Pope Pius IX, i fear for my soul.

I fear i may be slandering/calumniating him and damaging his reputation.

But on the other hand i want to know the truth about this matter, but i apologize for everything bad i said against the Pope.

My tone and the manner in which i addressed towards him was disrespectful too.

I brought this up on another thread once but would like to hear more opinions, this quote from Lefebvre, is it not heretical?
Against the Heresies, by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre:

 

1.      Page 216: “Evidently, certain distinctions must be made.  Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion.  There may be souls who, not knowing Our Lord, have by the grace of the good Lord, good interior dispositions, who submit to God...But some of these persons make an act of love which implicitly is equivalent to baptism of desire.  It is uniquely by this means that they are able to be saved.”

 

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I brought this up on another thread once but would like to hear more opinions, this quote from Lefebvre, is it not heretical?
Against the Heresies, by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre:

 

1.      Page 216: “Evidently, certain distinctions must be made.  Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion.  There may be souls who, not knowing Our Lord, have by the grace of the good Lord, good interior dispositions, who submit to God...But some of these persons make an act of love which implicitly is equivalent to baptism of desire.  It is uniquely by this means that they are able to be saved.”

 

Depends who you ask on this forum.

You won't find any Father, Saint, or Doctor teaching it, it is opposed to the Athanasian Creed, the Council of Trent, the catechism of Trent, and ALL the catechisms prior to the 20th century. In other words, it is against ALL of tradtion.

However, the opinion, which became prominent in the 20th century, was not a condemned opinion when it was taught to Abp. Lefebvre, and still is not to this day.

Practically all the saints erred in some opinion, we don't follow individuals, we follow tradition, what has always been.

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I brought this up on another thread once but would like to hear more opinions, this quote from Lefebvre, is it not heretical?
Against the Heresies, by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre:

 

1.      Page 216: “Evidently, certain distinctions must be made.  Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion.  There may be souls who, not knowing Our Lord, have by the grace of the good Lord, good interior dispositions, who submit to God...But some of these persons make an act of love which implicitly is equivalent to baptism of desire.  It is uniquely by this means that they are able to be saved.”

 

Depends who you ask on this forum.

You won't find any Father, Saint, or Doctor teaching it, it is opposed to the Athanasian Creed, the Council of Trent, the catechism of Trent, and ALL the catechisms prior to the 20th century. In other words, it is against ALL of tradtion.

However, the opinion, which became prominent in the 20th century, was not a condemned opinion when it was taught to Abp. Lefebvre, and still is not to this day.

Practically all the saints erred in some opinion, we don't follow individuals, we follow tradition, what has always been.

Sounds reasonable, yet your signature line implies otherwise. Do you still also believe the sacrament of Baptism is actually received in ALL cases?

That's the problem with you, you are always thinking something "implies". The person asked a question and I answered it with the truth without prejudice. Obviously, I disagree with the Abp., and side with ALL of tradition. Precisely what I believe is in my signature. Everything I am is brought out to the light.

You on the other hand work in mystery and in the shadows, criticizing others but never clearly revealing what you believe.

Please explain to me just one thing, what exactly do I have to do to set you up so that your postings do not appear to me? How do I set up the ignore feature? I'm sorry, but your tactic of making 20 one line postings to make what appears only to you to be a point, is just too exasperating to follow. Frankly, I'd rather get my molars drilled, than to continue to attempt to follow your style of "communication".  

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I brought this up on another thread once but would like to hear more opinions, this quote from Lefebvre, is it not heretical?
Against the Heresies, by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre:

 

1.      Page 216: “Evidently, certain distinctions must be made.  Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion.  There may be souls who, not knowing Our Lord, have by the grace of the good Lord, good interior dispositions, who submit to God...But some of these persons make an act of love which implicitly is equivalent to baptism of desire.  It is uniquely by this means that they are able to be saved.”

 

Depends who you ask on this forum.

You won't find any Father, Saint, or Doctor teaching it, it is opposed to the Athanasian Creed, the Council of Trent, the catechism of Trent, and ALL the catechisms prior to the 20th century. In other words, it is against ALL of tradtion.

However, the opinion, which became prominent in the 20th century, was not a condemned opinion when it was taught to Abp. Lefebvre, and still is not to this day.

Practically all the saints erred in some opinion, we don't follow individuals, we follow tradition, what has always been.

Sounds reasonable, yet your signature line implies otherwise. Do you still also believe the sacrament of Baptism is actually received in ALL cases?

That's the problem with you, you are always thinking something "implies". The person asked a question and I answered it with the truth without prejudice. Obviously, I disagree with the Abp., and side with ALL of tradition. Precisely what I believe is in my signature. Everything I am is brought out to the light.

You on the other hand work in mystery and in the shadows, criticizing others but never clearly revealing what you believe.

Please explain to me just one thing, what exactly do I have to do to set you up so that your postings do not appear to me? How do I set up the ignore feature? I'm sorry, but your tactic of making 20 one line postings to make what appears only to you to be a point, is just too exasperating to follow. Frankly, I'd rather get my molars drilled, than to continue to attempt to follow your style of "communication".  

My posts are very short because the errors here are obvious.

St. Augustine: “If you wish to be a Catholic, do not venture to believe, to say, or to teach that they whom the Lord has predestinated for baptism can be snatched away from his predestination, or die before that has been accomplished in them which the Almighty has predestined.’

   Lay-people should also accept whatever the Church teaches even if they are not sure what it is. We get caught up in places where Angels dare not tread. Instead of making ourselves the arbiters of truth on technicalities that only trained experts are qualified to respond to, we should simply accept the fact that non-members of the Church can be saved because that is an infallible doctrine of the Church. The unschooled debating technicalities, that calls into question what the approved great minds of the Church have clearly taught, harm the Church, as does condemning others on issues you are not qualified to speak on as this confuses and embitters Her members and potential faithful. I speak as one unschooled which is why I present the teaching from a reliable source.

Of course SJB does not fall into a category of "unschooled" when pertaining to his posts on his subjects.  He certainly knows enough to be correct when he posts on this topic.