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Author Topic: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent  (Read 23574 times)

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Offline JohnAnthonyMarie

Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #50 on: May 30, 2018, 01:39:50 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 30, 2018, 08:08:09 AM
Stop spamming.  I've read this article and it's theological garbage.
I am not "spamming", nor am I subject to you command.  What you've read and your opinions don't concern me.
If you have a complaint about my participation on CathInfo.com , I suggest you talk to the owner.
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Offline JohnAnthonyMarie

Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2018, 01:43:29 PM »
Quote from: happenby on May 30, 2018, 12:14:17 PM
Actually, I was complaining about it.  Perhaps I wasn't as clear as I should have been.
I provided Church approved commentary on the canon cited.
The simple matter of fact is that baptism of desire is taught by the Church.  Your opinion to the contrary is your own.
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2018, 01:58:26 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 30, 2018, 08:09:48 AM
You're going with JAM's false reading of the Canon Law.  This does not say that catechumens are considered baptized, but merely that they are to be treated as such in the context of whether or not they're allowed to have a Catholic funeral.  This is merely a disciplinary measure and amounts to nothing more than saying "Baptized and catechumens may receive a Catholic burial."
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Does not an extension of the Church's liturgy to a class of persons have more significance?
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Say, for instance, the law said "infidels may receive Holy Communion on Easter."  What's the difference between that and canon 1239?  "Merely disciplinary?"
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #53 on: May 30, 2018, 02:13:00 PM »
Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie on May 30, 2018, 01:39:50 PM
I am not "spamming", nor am I subject to you command.  What you've read and your opinions don't concern me.
If you have a complaint about my participation on CathInfo.com , I suggest you talk to the owner.

You absolutely are spamming.  You're pasting in generic pro-BoD articles and links instead of sticking to the subject under discussion.  You're not subject to my command, obviously, but you should show some respect and adhere to generally accepted forum etiquette.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2018, 02:16:57 PM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on May 30, 2018, 01:58:26 PM
Does not an extension of the Church's liturgy to a class of persons have more significance?

If there are, draw out the implications.  But there's no generic doctrinal statement regarding BoD in the Canon itself.

Certainly a Catholic burial COULD imply a possibility of salvation, but not necessarily.  At best one could hold that this means that the Church remains open to the POSSIBILITY that such as these could be saved.  Not everyone who receives Catholic burial is saved.  So the Church, at best, allows the faithful to hope in the possibility of the salvation of those described here.  Notice, too, that this is limited to formal catechumens.
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