Author Topic: Feenyism (Read 15449 times)

pax · « **on:** December 16, 2011, 05:24:10 PM »

As far as I know Father Feeney's teachings are not heretical. In fact they splendidly uphold such teachings as Cantante Domino and Unam Sanctum, and were upheld in the Encyclical Letter Mortalium Animos.

It seems to me that Father Feeney was like a modern day Athanasius standing virtually alone against the heresy of Americanism condemned by Pope Leo XIII in Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae, which heresy, unfortunately, has now spread from sea to shining sea.

Canute · « **Reply #1 on:** December 16, 2011, 06:28:00 PM »

What's wrong with Feeneyism? Too many people start threads about it just so they can argue over it.

Stubborn · « **Reply #2 on:** December 16, 2011, 08:05:01 PM »

Quote from: pax

As far as I know Father Feeney's teachings are not heretical. In fact they splendidly uphold such teachings as Cantante Domino and Unam Sanctum, and were upheld in the Encyclical Letter Mortalium Animos.

It seems to me that Father Feeney was like a modern day Athanasius standing virtually alone against the heresy of Americanism condemned by Pope Leo XIII in Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae, which heresy, unfortunately, has now spread from sea to shining sea.

I don't disagree with you, yet where are the fruits of Fr. Feeney?

I do not believe in BOD and think Fr. probably in heaven and could be a saint - who knows?........ but I have wondered about the fruits for some time now . . . . .I know SBC signed their "Doctrinal Preamble" and are now with the NO - - - - the fruit looks stinky.

BTW, The Archbishop who was the instrumental cause of the whole "Boston Heresy Case" and everything else against Fr. Feeney was Archbishop Richard James Cushing. According to wikepedia, At the Second Vatican Council (1962–1965) Cushing played a vital role in drafting Nostra Aetate, the docuмent that officially absolved the Jews of deicide charge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cushing

nadieimportante · « **Reply #3 on:** December 17, 2011, 12:32:20 PM »

It would be more accurate to call us Chrysostom-ites

St. John Chrysostom, The Consolation of Death: “And well should the pagan lament, who not knowing God, dying goes straight to punishment. Well should the Jew mourn, who not believing in Christ, has assigned his soul to perdition.”

St. John Chrysostom, The Consolation of Death: “And plainly must we grieve for our own catechumens, should they, either through their own unbelief or through their own neglect, depart this life without the saving grace of baptism.”

St. John Chrysostom, Hom. in Io. 25, 3:
“For the Catechumen is a stranger to the Faithful… One has Christ for his King; the other sin and the devil; the food of one is Christ, of the other, that meat which decays and perishes… Since then we have nothing in common, in what, tell me, shall we hold communion?… Let us then give diligence that we may become citizens of the city above… for if it should come to pass (which God forbid!) that through the sudden arrival of death we depart hence uninitiated, though we have ten thousand virtues, our portion will be none other than hell, and the venomous worm, and fire unquenchable, and bonds indissoluble.”

St. John Chrysostom, Homily III. On Phil. 1:1-20:
“Weep for the unbelievers; weep for those who differ in nowise from them, those who depart hence without the illumination, without the seal! They indeed deserve our wailing, they deserve our groans; they are outside the Palace, with the culprits, with the condemned: for, ‘Verily I say unto you, Except a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven.”

St. John Chrysostom, Homily XXV: “Hear, ye as many as are unilluminated, shudder, groan, fearful is the threat, fearful is the sentence. ‘It is not possible,’ He [Christ] saith, ‘for one not born of water and the Spirit to enter into the Kingdom of heaven’; because he wears the raiment of death, of cursing, of perdition, he hath not yet received his Lord’s token, he is a stranger and an alien, he hath not the royal watchword. ‘Except,’ He saith, ‘a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of heaven.”

curiouscatholic23 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 17, 2011, 12:47:54 PM »

Quote from: Stubborn

Quote from: pax
As far as I know Father Feeney's teachings are not heretical. In fact they splendidly uphold such teachings as Cantante Domino and Unam Sanctum, and were upheld in the Encyclical Letter Mortalium Animos.

It seems to me that Father Feeney was like a modern day Athanasius standing virtually alone against the heresy of Americanism condemned by Pope Leo XIII in Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae, which heresy, unfortunately, has now spread from sea to shining sea.

I don't disagree with you, yet where are the fruits of Fr. Feeney?
I do not believe in BOD and think Fr. probably in heaven and could be a saint - who knows?........ but I have wondered about the fruits for some time now . . . . .I know SBC signed their "Doctrinal Preamble" and are now with the NO - - - - the fruit looks stinky.

BTW, The Archbishop who was the instrumental cause of the whole "Boston Heresy Case" and everything else against Fr. Feeney was Archbishop Richard James Cushing. According to wikepedia, At the Second Vatican Council (1962–1965) Cushing played a vital role in drafting Nostra Aetate, the docuмent that officially absolved the Jews of deicide charge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cushing

The fruits were that Fr. Feeney was gaining many converts in the Boston area. If you read the MHFM book Oustide The Church There is No Salvation it has a whole chapter on it. Cardinal Cushing, who often boasted that he had not made one single covert, also given a bnai birth (brittish masonic) award was furious with Fr. Feeney for upholding tradition. So Cardinal Cushing wrote to Rome and got a reply back, the only problem with this is that is was from the Holy Office, not Pius XII himself which shows its falliability.

MHFM points out the fruits of Fr. Feeney's apostolate in Boston (orothodox teaching, gaining many converts), with the fruits of Vatican 2 in Boston (major settlements approaching billions of dollars).