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Quote from: Ladislaus

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You post your unauthorized explanations as support for your position. You have never quoted an authorized teacher, only disparaged or dismissed them.

Nonsense.  I constantly quote from the Church Fathers and from Church Councils.

Ladi, you quote them and then explain how they teach us that the theologians and catechisms and the rest are all wrong. That's like a Protestant quoting scripture and maybe some ancient Church Fathers ... and explaining how the Catholic Church is wrong.

If you are right then you condemn yourself. You claim all the theologians got it wrong since the 1960s.

But you have no answer to this.

You keep saying this over and over like a broken record.  We are only talking about Catholic theologians, not non-Catholic theologians!  

Those that lost their Faith in the mid-1960's, lost their membership in the Church, and by that cannot be called Catholic theologians.  

You keep saying this over and over like a broken record.  We are only talking about Catholic theologians, not non-Catholic theologians!  

Those that lost their Faith in the mid-1960's, lost their membership in the Church, and by that cannot be called Catholic theologians.  

Many traditional Catholics are stuck in the 60's.  Do you think that all the Church problems appear overnight after Vatican II? If you do, you are not seeing the big picture. A careful study of Church history is very much needed. We are still living under the heresy of Modernism that started way before Vatican II. And before then, there were other many heresies from which always the Church came out victorious. Arianism and Protestantism come to mind. But we indeed have the promise of victory! although the enemy has always been there and his method is similar: He always wants to turn Catholics away from the purity of Faith by setting "ambiguity" "relativism" "confusion" "division" "human unity" (at the expense of losing the Faith as is).

Many trads condemn the alleged heresies of the conciliar popes, and then go and adhere to the same heresies anyway, therefore being part of the same unclean spirit from Vatican II. What exactly is the heresy of the conciliar popes that you already don't believe in anyway?

Nothing is new under the sun. The enemy, Satan, has always been there, since the beginning of times just under a different guise. Catholic dogmas must be believed as they were always revealed. To say otherwise is to be a part of the problem.

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: SJB

You post your unauthorized explanations as support for your position. You have never quoted an authorized teacher, only disparaged or dismissed them.

Nonsense.  I constantly quote from the Church Fathers and from Church Councils.

You quote and privately interpret them.  

Dogma is to be understood as declared, not interpreted. That is the only way for all to have the same, universal understanding and universal belief of dogma.

Ambrose, can you honestly say that this infallible decree from Vi means that dogmas are to be interpreted?


Hence, too, that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding.


It is in Chapter 4, "On faith and reason" that the Council explains why dogma is not to be interpreted, why dogma is to be understood as "once declared" - you and all BODers should devote 4 minutes of your time and read it.

I am still waiting for you to do the strictly Catholic thing and start a thread and champion defending the necessity of the sacraments unto salvation - that is, after all, the duty of all Catholics.

Or will you finally admit that to do such a thing is an absolute impossibility for you to even consider?

You really should admit that for you and your other BOD cohorts to team up in defense of the necessity of the sacraments unto salvation is just as impossible for you to do as it would be for me and my cohorts to start and champion a thread defending the necessity of a BOD unto salvation.

Have you thought about that? You should. You really should.