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Can Protestants be saved, without becoming Catholic, at least in the hour of death?

Yes, they can be saved, as Protestants, provided invincible ignorance excuses them from heresy.
8 (19%)
I'm not sure if they can be saved. I assume they can be and so it's ok to leave them in ignorance.
0 (0%)
I'm not sure if they can be saved. I assume they can't be and thus I pray and work to convert them.
9 (21.4%)
No, Protestants cannot be saved without having become Catholic before death.
23 (54.8%)
Other (please explain).
2 (4.8%)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Do you believe Protestants, as Protestants, can be saved?
« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2018, 10:11:43 AM »
Quote from: hollingsworth on September 19, 2018, 09:00:59 AM
NO: I am more inclined to believe the testimony of an anonymous soul in Purgatory than the prolix rantings of certain members of CI Church teaching.

fixed it for you.
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Do you believe Protestants, as Protestants, can be saved?
« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2018, 12:55:42 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on September 17, 2018, 04:08:13 PM
christy must have been a troll, I clicked on her name and it says this:


The user whose profile you are trying to view does not exist.
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Another one:
https://www.cathinfo.com/teen-catholic-hangout/funny-stuff/msg627206/#msg627206
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Quote from: Stubborn on September 19, 2018, 08:53:50 AM
I don't understand how that works. The poster who doesn't exist still posts. ;)
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Me neither. 
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Do you believe Protestants, as Protestants, can be saved?
« Reply #57 on: September 19, 2018, 01:09:06 PM »
Quote from: ihsv on September 18, 2018, 06:55:29 PM

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It's really interesting to hear this sermon of St. John Eudes read at Mass like this.
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There is a Newchurch parish nearby (in Northridge or Canoga Park, not sure) named St. John Eudes, but they would not have a word of what their own patron saint has to say about their treasured "ecuмenism."
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I would like to know what St. Eudes had to say about Catholics serving a seder meal during Lent. 
They do this at the parish.
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Or what he would have to say about them removing the Altar Stone from the main altar.
I noticed it was missing, so I asked around and nobody could tell me where it went.
Finally I got the answer from the PASTOR himself, who was very proud to have the answer to my question! 
He said they had cemented it into the floor of the lobby (used to be called "vestibule" but now it's like a hotel lobby).
It's in the capstone that covers a time capsule, so everyone can step on it who walks from the parking lot into the Church! 
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Do you believe Protestants, as Protestants, can be saved?
« Reply #58 on: September 19, 2018, 01:16:10 PM »
Quote from: Neil Obstat on September 19, 2018, 08:49:27 AM
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You would have to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to find trash like this.
The source even explains this is from a merely historical docuмent that is a private writing having no bearing on Church teaching.
The author is "unknown."
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An Unpublished Manuscript on Purgatory
    
by Unknown
DESCRIPTION

This pamphlet, describing alleged conversations between a nun and a soul in Purgatory, brings to light many aspects of the mysterious purification souls undergo before entering Heaven.

PUBLISHER & DATE  The Reparation Society of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Inc., December 26, 1967

Note: In conformity with the decrees of Pope Urban VIII, the author formally declares that the preternatural or seemingly supernatural facts recorded in this historical narrative rest on purely human authority, and consequently he does not in any way intend to pronounce a final judgment, or to anticipate any future decision of lawful Church authority as to their nature.

Introduction

At the expressed desire of the Directors of the Bulletin "Notre Dame de la Bonne Mort," this pamphlet is published with all the reservations ordered by the Church in the decree of Urban VIII, and as a purely historical docuмent.

It was sent to that periodical by a zealous and devout missionary and is a pious docuмent based on alleged conversations between a nun and a soul in Purgatory.
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Finally they were impressed by the living Sister's great progress in the work of her sanctification. So remarkable was this that on reading the manuscript Canon Dubosq said, "In publishing this Manuscript, as I heartily approve, you are anticipating a cause of beatification."...
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[So, they were anticipating beatification, eh? Well that didn't happen! Maybe Bishop-of-Rome Francis can get that remedied!]
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The original booklet was written in the late 19th century, so their reference to Urban VIII is perfunctory. 
Notice, at the time it emerged the Index was still in use, plus, there is no Nihil Obstat or Imprimatur on the thing, so there is no way it could have been published at that time. 
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However, fast forward a few decades to 1967, and without the Index and the abandonment of the necessity of approvals, it got to see the light of day, even though it's still said "unpublished." 
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Thanks to the Internet, guess what --- it doesn't need so-called publication to become publicized. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Do you believe Protestants, as Protestants, can be saved?
« Reply #59 on: September 19, 2018, 01:27:48 PM »
Yeah, terrific sermon.  Is that Father Bitzer?

St. John Eudes quoted as teaching that no one can be saved who is not a MEMBER of the Church.  Membership by that time had been universally defined as requiring the Sacrament of Baptism in re.  So much for Msgr. Fenton's theory that people can be within the Church (and saved) without being members of the Church (the "undigested hamburger soteriology" as I call it) ... championed famously here on CI by LoT.
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