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Online Pax Vobis

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CONDEMNED: Salvation for good-willed, ignorant pagans
« on: August 07, 2019, 11:55:28 AM »
Both the Syllabus of Errors and the Oath Against Modernism condemn the ideas that 1) a man may be saved in a false religion and 2) that a good-willed man, who follows the natural law, can have supernatural Faith, which saves.
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Syllabus of Errors – Bl Pope Pius IX - 1864
16. Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation. — Encyclical “Qui pluribus,” Nov. 9, 1846.
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Pope St Pius X's "Oath Against Modernism" of 1910
Fifthly, I hold with certainty and sincerely confess that faith is not a blind sentiment of religion welling up from the depths of the subconscious under the impulse of the heart and the motion of a will trained to morality; but faith is a genuine assent of the intellect to truth received by hearing from an external source.
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By this assent, because of the authority of the supremely truthful God, we believe to be true that which has been revealed and attested to by a personal God, our creator and lord.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: CONDEMNED: Salvation for good-willed, ignorant pagans
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2019, 12:24:17 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 07, 2019, 11:55:28 AM
Pope St Pius X's "Oath Against Modernism" of 1910
Fifthly, I hold with certainty and sincerely confess that faith is not a blind sentiment of religion welling up from the depths of the subconscious under the impulse of the heart and the motion of a will trained to morality; but faith is a genuine assent of the intellect to truth received by hearing from an external source.

This is fantastic.  I don't recall seeing it before, but this absolutely condemns the subjectivist soteriology behind Vatican II ... and, alas, embraced by most modernist-infected Trads.
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Offline Struthio

CONDEMNED: Salvation for anyone without the sacrament of baptism
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2019, 01:13:21 PM »
CONDEMNED:  Salvation for anyone without the sacrament of baptism1


Quote from: Vatican Council, Session 2, Jan 6, 1870
Profession of faith

1. [...] profession of faith which the holy Roman Church uses, namely:
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4. I profess also that there are seven sacraments of the new law, truly and properly so called, instituted by our lord Jesus Christ and necessary for salvation, though each person need not receive them all. [...]
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14. [...]
This true catholic faith, outside of which none can be saved, which I now freely profess [...]


1) anyone without the sacrament of baptism, that includes catechumens without the sacrament of baptism





CONDEMNED:  Salvation for anyone rejecting this true catholic faith2, outside of which none can be saved

Quote from: Vatican Council, Session 2, Jan 6, 1870
Profession of faith

1. [...] profession of faith which the holy Roman Church uses, namely:
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4. I profess also that there are seven sacraments of the new law, truly and properly so called, instituted by our lord Jesus Christ and necessary for salvation, though each person need not receive them all. [...]
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14. [...]
This true catholic faith, outside of which none can be saved, which I now freely profess [...]


2) anyone rejecting this true catholic faith, that includes CI members rejecting this true catholic faith.


papalencyclicals.net, Vatican Council
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Online ByzCat3000

Re: CONDEMNED: Salvation for good-willed, ignorant pagans
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2019, 01:24:17 PM »
I don't think anyone here rejects what Vatican I says there.
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Offline homeschoolmom

Re: CONDEMNED: Salvation for good-willed, ignorant pagans
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2019, 01:28:52 PM »
I admit I haven't followed the posts about who can be saved, so my question has probably been covered many times before. But this is a nice short thread so I'm going to ask here and I hope it can be answered easily. When it comes to good-willed people of invincible ignorance who lived lives of natural virtue, I was taught not that they are saved but that they go to limbo. And that it's rare. Where does this fit in the modernist vs Catholic spectrum?
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